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[Will Sturgess1999]

Met Police use this method or did and they had a noose too

No they didn't have a noose.... My county dog sections don't have nooses I don't think they have rope and like a door full of leads, harnesses and rope


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[Griffo567]

And maybe Kent don't have it and wether it's been mentioned but do Kent have hems rrv (car not helicopter :0)

[Pottyscotty]

And maybe Kent don't have it and wether it's been mentioned but do Kent have hems rrv (car not helicopter :0)

Yes it's a Volvo V70

[UKModMan]

I've seen like officers go in with Fire extinguishers to subdue dogs? Is this actually true or for some different reasons?


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Well if there is no taser or armed response officer at the scene and you need to act quickly and/or there are no other officers to respond you can "improvise". We got told that the fire extinguishers in the car work and some people say we use CS, which would be a bad idea as you need to be incredibly close to use it (I'm going to see if I can do a taser course in a few months so that I don't have to use CS).

 

EDIT: I forgot to mention that if the dog is a fairly small one, as a taser has a chance to kill them we might use another method, or just tase it and hope for the best. Unfortunately a dog may have to die (thank god I've never witnessed it yet) to sacrifice public safety.

[Will Sturgess1999]

Well if there is no taser or armed response officer at the scene and you need to act quickly and/or there are no other officers to respond you can "improvise". We got told that the fire extinguishers in the car work and some people say we use CS, which would be a bad idea as you need to be incredibly close to use it (I'm going to see if I can do a taser course in a few months so that I don't have to use CS).

EDIT: I forgot to mention that if the dog is a fairly small one, as a taser has a chance to kill them we might use another method, or just tase it and hope for the best. Unfortunately a dog may have to die (thank god I've never witnessed it yet) to sacrifice public safety.

What actually happens if the dog handler actually gets hold of the dog and puts it on a lead of leash? Does the dog section officer transport or someone else?


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[Handsup!]

Well if there is no taser or armed response officer at the scene and you need to act quickly and/or there are no other officers to respond you can "improvise". We got told that the fire extinguishers in the car work and some people say we use CS, which would be a bad idea as you need to be incredibly close to use it (I'm going to see if I can do a taser course in a few months so that I don't have to use CS).

 

EDIT: I forgot to mention that if the dog is a fairly small one, as a taser has a chance to kill them we might use another method, or just tase it and hope for the best. Unfortunately a dog may have to die (thank god I've never witnessed it yet) to sacrifice public safety.

 

Oh sorry, I meant PCSOs as in general purpose, rather than street wardens, unrelated to dogs.

 

CS probably isn't great to use on a dog, you're right, it spreads too much (PAVA is the superior incapacitant) and I'd imagine it'd only piss the dog off more.

[UKModMan]

EDIT: Fun fact, police dog cars are marked with the words "POLICE DOGS" as a woman was walking down the street when a police dog inside a car barked, she jumped and fell on the floor, I believe fracturing her hip. She complained to the police and thus these words were born. "AIR CONDITIONED" is on them as various complaints were sent with people worrying about the dogs overheating.

What actually happens if the dog handler actually gets hold of the dog and puts it on a lead of leash? Does the dog section officer transport or someone else?


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Dog handlers are sometimes sent to dangerous dog calls, but not as much as they used to be (in Cumbria anyway), I think I mentioned this in the post on the previous page. This is due to the danger to the dog and the fact that it's too dangerous to actually approach the dog without specialist equipment which dog handlers do not routinely carry. Some people think they carry tasers, a lot of the time they don't. A dog is like a taser.. with teeth.. which you can't use against other dogs (Electric shields, tasers or anything that can subdue the dog).

 

Also, the dog being controlled without being shot or tased is very rare, but in the event it happens the dog will usually be put down.

 

Oh sorry, I meant PCSOs as in general purpose, rather than street wardens, unrelated to dogs.

 

CS probably isn't great to use on a dog, you're right, it spreads too much (PAVA is the superior incapacitant) and I'd imagine it'd only piss the dog off more.

 

I personally don't like using either sprays on a dog, as you said it just pisses it off more. When I took down the dog I mentioned in the last one I had the option of PAVAing it, breaking its leg with a baton (This is an option I didn't mention before as it's shady, not much people have heard of it and it's very dangerous, usually only used if the dog is actually right infront of you) or tackling it. I decided to tackle it as it gives me full control of the dog (If PAVA doesn't work as I wanted it too it could've just ran round like mad). 

 

As for using PCSOs, we call them Plastic Copper Support Officers, they're not too useful for policing and I also think they should replace street wardens.

[Will Sturgess1999]

EDIT: Fun fact, police dog cars are marked with the words "POLICE DOGS" as a woman was walking down the street when a police dog inside a car barked, she jumped and fell on the floor, I believe fracturing her hip. She complained to the police and thus these words were born. "AIR CONDITIONED" is on them as various complaints were sent with people worrying about the dogs overheating.
Dog handlers are sometimes sent to dangerous dog calls, but not as much as they used to be (in Cumbria anyway), I think I mentioned this in the post on the previous page. This is due to the danger to the dog and the fact that it's too dangerous to actually approach the dog without specialist equipment which dog handlers do not routinely carry. Some people think they carry tasers, a lot of the time they don't. A dog is like a taser.. with teeth.. which you can't use against other dogs (Electric shields, tasers or anything that can subdue the dog).

Also, the dog being controlled without being shot or tased is very rare, but in the event it happens the dog will usually be put down.


I personally don't like using either sprays on a dog, as you said it just pisses it off more. When I took down the dog I mentioned in the last one I had the option of PAVAing it, breaking its leg with a baton (This is an option I didn't mention before as it's shady, not much people have heard of it and it's very dangerous, usually only used if the dog is actually right infront of you) or tackling it. I decided to tackle it as it gives me full control of the dog (If PAVA doesn't work as I wanted it too it could've just ran round like mad).

As for using PCSOs, we call them Plastic Copper Support Officers, they're not too useful for policing and I also think they should replace street wardens.

Wouldn't tackling put your life in danger?

Also you sound like a police officer In my county. He really doesn't like PCSOS and feels it's them that put their life I'm danger sometimes


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[UKModMan]

Wouldn't tackling put your life in danger?

Also you sound like a police officer In my county. He really doesn't like PCSOS and feels it's them that put their life I'm danger sometimes


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Tackling would be seen by some other police officers as idiotic, but spraying with PAVA would mean you getting in similar range to the range you have to be in to jump on the dog. As soon as you jump on the dog, they are instantly helpless.

 

Other officers will tell you that when you're in an emergency you do "stupid" stuff sometimes. My dad (now an Inspector in the Police) attended a house fire a couple years ago when he was a Sergeant, he went into the building filled with smoke and nearly got trapped. He showed me a video of it and one of the firefighters wearing BA came out coughing and wheezing, so it must've been some pretty intense sh*t.

[Will Sturgess1999]

Tackling would be seen by some other police officers as idiotic, but spraying with PAVA would mean you getting in similar range to the range you have to be in to jump on the dog. As soon as you jump on the dog, they are instantly helpless.

Other officers will tell you that when you're in an emergency you do "stupid" stuff sometimes. My dad (now an Inspector in the Police) attended a house fire a couple years ago when he was a Sergeant, he went into the building filled with smoke and nearly got trapped. He showed me a video of it and one of the firefighters wearing BA came out coughing and wheezing, so it must've been some pretty intense sh*t.

Jeez..... Is he I know? Like he didn't get burnt of anything? Things like that can have repercussions later on in life but hey that's the job description. Where I live we had a EDL march go severely wrong and ended up having riots in my county and the now Chief Inspector went with about 5 other officers to tackle a large group of rioters...... They did sustain injuries but they got it under control. Now every time I see him ( we are pretty good friends) he says he does stuff because it's what you do in situations... You put other peoples life's first... And he has always taught me that


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[TWMCPE]

Wow! Very interesting stories guys really intriguing and learning a lot about what you actually have to do when it comes to it

[Ryan Wainwright]

no scott its a XC70 would love to post a photo but don't know how to

[Pottyscotty]

no scott its a XC70 would love to post a photo but don't know how to

I already have the photo and it has been posted, just forgot if it were a V70 or XC70

 

 

Some great stories UKModMan

[UKModMan]

Jeez..... Is he I know? Like he didn't get burnt of anything? Things like that can have repercussions later on in life but hey that's the job description. Where I live we had a EDL march go severely wrong and ended up having riots in my county and the now Chief Inspector went with about 5 other officers to tackle a large group of rioters...... They did sustain injuries but they got it under control. Now every time I see him ( we are pretty good friends) he says he does stuff because it's what you do in situations... You put other peoples life's first... And he has always taught me that


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No, he didn't get burnt. Him and a colleuge went to the top of the stairs before they started coughing heavily and their vision was obscured, so he decided to go out. Unfortunately the woman inside the house died of smoke inhalation a few minutes after the firefighters reached her.

 

I already have the photo and it has been posted, just forgot if it were a V70 or XC70

 

 

Some great stories UKModMan

Thanks Scotty! Great mod as always, one thing I have to mention though. The public order van at the bottom of the car park is unable to move without removing the lamposts blocking it in the editor, but it's a 5 minute job and the mod is an alpha so it's not really a problem.

[Pottyscotty]

Thanks Scotty! Great mod as always, one thing I have to mention though. The public order van at the bottom of the car park is unable to move without removing the lamposts blocking it in the editor, but it's a 5 minute job and the mod is an alpha so it's not really a problem.

Yeah haha fixed it now, had to move the vans slightly over.

[Ryan Wainwright]

yeah scott I sent u the photo's over facebook

[XTXTactics]

Hello, do you know like the police are in Hi Vis etc would it be possible to like it is for a fire fighter and medic would you be able to select what you want for the officer then have designated Public Order officers with the riot helmet etc if you don't understand my question I'll re phrase it

[TWMCPE]

Earlier today I saw a 3 series estate and a rs4 estate on the m20 doing at least 150 (that's miles to anyone else (-: ) one behind the other, they where both silver and unmarked and at first I thought they where civilians racing due to how few lights they had until I spotted that they had faint wig wags and a single blue flashing light in the rear dash. It surprised me that they had so few lights with no siren on and that, as far as I could see, they both just had a single plain cloths officer.
So the question is, does anyone know what these people are? I saw them in Kent, thus I post here

[Will Sturgess1999]

Earlier today I saw a 3 series estate and a rs4 estate on the m20 doing at least 150 (that's miles to anyone else (-: ) one behind the other, they where both silver and unmarked and at first I thought they where civilians racing due to how few lights they had until I spotted that they had faint wig wags and a single blue flashing light in the rear dash. It surprised me that they had so few lights with no siren on and that, as far as I could see, they both just had a single plain cloths officer.
So the question is, does anyone know what these people are? I saw them in Kent, thus I post here

They could be one of many things. The first one being just unmarked traffic units, the second being the Roads Crime Team as they use high performance vehicles but unmarked and the third could be CID on the way to somewhere


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[TWMCPE]

They could be one of many things. The first one being just unmarked traffic units, the second being the Roads Crime Team as they use high performance vehicles but unmarked and the third could be CID on the way to somewhere


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Thanks, you may be right, but I ruled out the top two because they where so badly lit, and any kind of traffic vehicles, even unmarked ones, tend to be pretty well lit as they are often stopped in the middle of the road and wouldn't they be in police uniform?
Will google what CID is
Edit: CID seems plausible