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[met police999]

there's Nome operating in Scotland

[Handsup!]

There's quite a few operating and there is one in Cannock.

[Xplorer4x4]

Hey all, I apologize if this question has been answered at least once before but I have one for our members in the UK. Does the fire service generally respond to accidents without entrapment but with injuries? It seems from all of the videos and TV shows that I've seen that if there are only minor injuries or if the police get there long before any other services do, that only the ambulance service responds. I suppose it's logical from a fiscal standpoint, it just seems quite different from here, where the fire department (with the exception of places in NY where the ESU handles some accidents and places such as NJ where rescue squads exist) respond to almost all accidents with injuries regardless of entrapment.

I think that it is almost standard practice in the US to see Fire respond to MVAs. Maybe not always in an engine though. I was takeing pics out at one of the county volly stations a few years ago when they got an MVA call with no extrication. They sent 4 or 5 guys so sending the rescue unit was out of the question as it is a 2 man cab. Could have sent the engine, could have sent the quint(but really would have been unpractical imo), but they responded code 3 in a Ford F350 Rescue unit(similar to the HES from the LA Mod). In the city though an Engine or a Quint(most stations contain only a single engine or quint) almost always responds to MVAs. If extrication is needed, one of two rescue trucks are dispatched. Ambulance service is handled by AMR both in the city and county(with one exception of part of the county).

[CFDDIVE11]

Here for a MVA we send a engine ambulance and battalion. If entrapment we call for the engine for our second station and then call for ambulances as needed. But yes usually a engine ladder or rescue usually go to MVAs over here.

[ses]

here in Australia it depends if you are in metro or rural (where I live)

metro = ambulance, paramedic, 2 fire engines , rescue, police and a ambulance helicopter if needed.

 

rural = ambulance, paramedic, ambulance helicopter, fire engines from the closest town and if the local fire department does not do rcr then ses rescue and police

[Hoppah]

Hi Folks,

Me and MikeyPI are trying to find some more pictures on this particular Medical Examiners Van (older cononers unit for NYC):





OCME stands for 'Office of Chief Medical Examiners unit'
METT stands for 'Medical Examiner Transport Team'

Is there anyone who can find more detailed pictures or knows what is written on the passenger door (first picture)?
The van is an older version of the New York City Office of Chief Medical Examiners Unit van and it was definitely used when Heath Ledger died on jan 22, 2008.

Thanks in advance.

Your best friend,

Hoppah

[rafaelmfernandez]

Hi Folks,

Me and MikeyPI are trying to find some more pictures on this particular Medical Examiners Van (older cononers unit for NYC):





OCME stands for 'Office of Chief Medical Examiners unit'
METT stands for 'Medical Examiner Transport Team'

Is there anyone who can find more detailed pictures or knows what is written on the passenger door (first picture)?
The van is an older version of the New York City Office of Chief Medical Examiners Unit van and it was definitely used when Heath Ledger died on jan 22, 2008.

Thanks in advance.

Your best friend,

Hoppah

 

Written on the passenger door is "City of New York Office of Chief Medical Examiner"

 

[MikeyPI]

That is what I figured, thank you very much.  do you know if there is anything under the pushbumper on the hood or is that plain white as it appears?

[rafaelmfernandez]

That is what I figured, thank you very much.  do you know if there is anything under the pushbumper on the hood or is that plain white as it appears?

 

Its plain white as well, it took me a second to see if that thing on top of the van was a lightbar or not but I see its just an Air ventilation. Other than that all angles on the OCME van should be covered, let me know if you have any other questions.

[MikeyPI]

Yeah i figured that the thing is an ac unit just like the new ones have on it, the back and side we have pretty good, the door and the nose were the issue for the thing since apparently nobody took pictures of the friggin thing =/  Such is why I hate doing dated things, its so much easier to find pics of the newer versions or at least a youtube video of it.  I am fairly sure the van is the same as the new ones as far as setup goes save for the fact that one has a pushbumper on it and a plainer scheme, the unit on the roof and the lights appear to be setup the same.

[MCERT1]

I'll check with an uncle that used to work at the OCME, but he may have been retired by the time that unit was placed in service

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[theocd]

A question I've been meaning to ask but I got reminded by the picture in the new Dusseldorf Mod thread - why does Germany (and some other countries) give some utilities (Gas/Electric/Water) blue lights and sirens?

Although I suppose an equal question would be why don't others? I don't really know what I'm asking....discuss....

 

The OC-D

[youdotoo]

I don't know to much about European emergency units.  However, I assume it would be to scare the mess out of civilians making them think they are cops! lol

[LAD23DER]

A question I've been meaning to ask but I got reminded by the picture in the new Dusseldorf Mod thread - why does Germany (and some other countries) give some utilities (Gas/Electric/Water) blue lights and sirens?
Although I suppose an equal question would be why don't others? I don't really know what I'm asking....discuss....

The OC-D

I'm not from Germany or anything, but my guess would be that it would be to help the utilities get to emergency problems as fast as possible. I say this because I often hear FDs requesting "a push on utilities". Even a couple times with major gas leaks or live wires on a fire scene, I have heard FD chiefs request a PD escort for the utility company.
I was at a rollover a couple months ago and a wrecker came through with a Q to clear traffic though.

[Wkboy714]

Obviously in a gas-leak emergency, it's important to have supply shut off as quickly as possible. This is why some places in Germany train blue-light responding gas technicians. I wouldn't be surprised if they did the same for others, eg water companies if they need water supply or pressure increases.

[theparanoid]

I lived and been in germany many of times and yet to see any blue light utilities vehicles. Heck I even to Dusseldorf many of times. That however those not mean they do not exits.

It just means they not generally out driving about.

Something to keep in mind about germany. Where the physical size of city or town may be small the population is several times higher for the same size area in us POINT IN CASE. Heiligenhaus small town near Dusseldorf with about 25,502 as of dec 2012. With an area of 27.47 km2 or 10.61 sq mi. Compare that to Cranberry township Butler PA. which is a small town near Pittsburgh.
population as 2010 28,098 with an area of 59.13 km2 or 22.8 sq mi. That gives Heiligenhaus a population density of 930/km2 or 2,400/sq mi compare to cranberry 475.3 / km2 or 1,231 / sq mi.


Now Dusseldorf has 593,682 people as off 2010 in 217 km2 or 84 sq mi. That a density of 2,700/km2 or 7,100/sq mi. So you can see where having emergency light utlites vehicles would become very important.

[ses]

hi guys

who here is allowed to drive their departments vehicles with  lights and sirens.?

 

i am one of a few selected that is allowed to do so in our unit

cheers

[MCERT1]

Our department requires a member to have a class C for our brush and utility, a class B (large vehicle) license for the engines, rescue and ladders, a class A for our semi-truck hazmat, and have a minimal amount of certified driving time on each piece. Additionally,we are required to be certified to operate the pumps, aerial appliance, cascade systems, light towers, or whatever else would be their assigned task on the fire ground. We are now being required to also take a separate Emergency Vehicle Operator Course, so many people are getting IFSTA ProBoard certification as apparatus operators. To become a full member of our department, you have to be cleared as a driver and have your class B license along with Firefighter I, EMT, and Hazmat Operations certifications.

 

 

Legally without a license, you can drive to emergencies here with lights and sirens as long as you have EVOC training whether or not you have a license. However, you cannot drive them non-emergency without the appropriate license, so it makes it a moot point to send a truck out without a way to get it back to station.

[Fred03]

My department you need a Commercial Drivers License to drive the big trucks and a regular license to drive the brush truck. We don't really have enough people to be picky about who can drive what.

[THVFD]

My department to drive you have to be 21 years old and take a drivers course for the fire department and have a normal drivers liceanse and to operate the pumps(since we have no ladder truck) you just have to know what your doing as I'm 16 and i could operate the pump

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