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[917893678251]

I haven't seen US swat much so i can post china's SWAT

[hunter42]

I haven't seen US swat much so i can post china's SWAT

I've never seen an ARU in Fife, so that makes it ok that I post about the French

The French have the GIPN and they're really cool. Look at how badass they are.

Their main rifles come from Germany, because Germans know how to make guns.

And they have really cool stuff too like this van that has ladders and stuff.

See the helicopter? And how it dropping guys onto the deck of the boat? That was awesome.
And how they hid on top of the train? Ninja skills right there.

They're probably the best in the world.

[rickyrescue]

hahaha they can be kind of scary in the dark for sure ,...


one of my favorites,... do you know what kind of handguns they use? and SWAT truck is awesome,.. Is that a firefighter truck redisegn for police?


Do you have any information about equipment they use? any action video

most carry the M1911 pistol
the rest is I get, I die.

[theocd]

@917893678251: Sorry, it's just I swear I read somewhere you'd posted that.

@hunter42: I thought the French had GIGN. Groupe Intervention Gendarmerie Nationale? Germans make good guns, Heckler and Koch in particular: like the G36C with Reflex scope in your ARU picture and the MP5SD on the far right of the GIPN photo. I just noticed the Airport Officer also has a Tazer.

The OC-D

[netraam16]

I think you shouldn't mess with Chinese SWAT Forces:

[Hoppah]

I think you shouldn't mess with Chinese SWAT Forces:

Don't forget this one: (make sure to turn off the music)

Most special forces in other countries do get similar training and equipment. There are many ways to scale a wall or to enter a building. That's all about tactics and is different in each situation. Climbing a wall without a rope is not that important. I do think there is a big difference in fighting techniques between countries. It seems like that most of these Asian special forces do learn some exotic fighting style. Funny thing is, most Asians I know are MUCH shorter than me and I am only 1,86 meter (6'1"), what is about the average height for a male in my country I think. Besides that, smashing roof tiles with your head is impressive but not that special. Or do you think that their skulls are harder or something? (iLol) A video doesn't say that much. Qualities like survival skills, stamina, strenght and endurance are very important too. And what about negotiation skills and after care services or even the whole organisation? When you just had to to kill someone (because it's your job) you will most likely need mental aid. Videos like that do only make me laugh (espcially the tree hugging in the other video), because it is in no way a representation of 'how good' the special forces of a certain country actually are. China is very big and I do not expect a special forces team can reach any place within the hour there.

What makes special forces of a certain country good anyway? The ability to solve situations without the use of (lethal) force should be more important than training anyway in my opinion. I rather see statistics of that.

[Tian318]

What makes special forces of a certain country good anyway? The ability to solve situations without the use of (lethal) force should be more important than training anyway in my opinion. I rather see statistics of that.

As we said in the army,....IF you go out with 10 and come back with 10 you did good.

[swatlord]

Hooah to that

But if you go out with 10 and come back with 11, then someone learned how to asexually reproduce

[917893678251]

Don't forget this one: (make sure to turn off the music)

Most special forces in other countries do get similar training and equipment. There are many ways to scale a wall or to enter a building. That's all about tactics and is different in each situation. Climbing a wall without a rope is not that important. I do think there is a big difference in fighting techniques between countries. It seems like that most of these Asian special forces do learn some exotic fighting style. Funny thing is, most Asians I know are MUCH shorter than me and I am only 1,86 meter (6'1"), what is about the average height for a male in my country I think. Besides that, smashing roof tiles with your head is impressive but not that special. Or do you think that their skulls are harder or something? (iLol) A video doesn't say that much. Qualities like survival skills, stamina, strenght and endurance are very important too. And what about negotiation skills and after care services or even the whole organisation? When you just had to to kill someone (because it's your job) you will most likely need mental aid. Videos like that do only make me laugh (espcially the tree hugging in the other video), because it is in no way a representation of 'how good' the special forces of a certain country actually are. China is very big and I do not expect a special forces team can reach any place within the hour there.

What makes special forces of a certain country good anyway? The ability to solve situations without the use of (lethal) force should be more important than training anyway in my opinion. I rather see statistics of that.

Well,China usually uses lethal force but no in the head,usually in the arm.The requirements for like any job in China is like 1.7 meters so I consider you 0.25 meters taller than me?

[Hoppah]

Well,China usually uses lethal force but no in the head,usually in the arm.The requirements for like any job in China is like 1.7 meters so I consider you 0.25 meters taller than me?

You do know that lethal force is the same as deadly force? That basically means you can kill someone. Or in different words: the last option to stop a person. More information: http://en.wikipedia....ki/Deadly_force

edit: I am just saying that pictures/videos do not really represent the effectiveness of these forces.

[frankie1988]

Don't forget this one: (make sure to turn off the music)

Most special forces in other countries do get similar training and equipment. There are many ways to scale a wall or to enter a building. That's all about tactics and is different in each situation. Climbing a wall without a rope is not that important. I do think there is a big difference in fighting techniques between countries. It seems like that most of these Asian special forces do learn some exotic fighting style. Funny thing is, most Asians I know are MUCH shorter than me and I am only 1,86 meter (6'1"), what is about the average height for a male in my country I think. Besides that, smashing roof tiles with your head is impressive but not that special. Or do you think that their skulls are harder or something? (iLol) A video doesn't say that much. Qualities like survival skills, stamina, strenght and endurance are very important too. And what about negotiation skills and after care services or even the whole organisation? When you just had to to kill someone (because it's your job) you will most likely need mental aid. Videos like that do only make me laugh (espcially the tree hugging in the other video), because it is in no way a representation of 'how good' the special forces of a certain country actually are. China is very big and I do not expect a special forces team can reach any place within the hour there.

What makes special forces of a certain country good anyway? The ability to solve situations without the use of (lethal) force should be more important than training anyway in my opinion. I rather see statistics of that.

totaly agree,... SWAT and other tactical units are primary life saving organisation not life taking,....
ATJ Lučko use combination of ju-jitsu - karate and capoeira,.. and in 15 (in war they were like SAS , working behind enemy lines and missions like that, so they werent anything like today) years of service they dont have even one hostage dead, only two slightli injured by efect of flasbangs.,... also neiteher one of the perps died ,...

[917893678251]

They only use deadly force on illegal drug raids if the suspects don't comply and have weapons while taking some hostages too. They also use deadly force in some hostage situations,like if the hostage taker won't put his gun down,they may shoot him in the head.

[Tian318]

They only use deadly force on illegal drug raids if the suspects don't comply and have weapons while taking some hostages too. They also use deadly force in some hostage situations,like if the hostage taker won't put his gun down,they may shoot him in the head.

Then i would rather face swat or SAS units to save my sorry ass then the Chinese swat.

[frankie1988]

Well,China usually uses lethal force but no in the head,usually in the arm.The requirements for like any job in China is like 1.7 meters so I consider you 0.25 meters taller than me?

I saw one of theirs action on some video, and didnt like becauese they with their actions threathen the life of the hostige,... it was a situation in a bus, a guy was holding hostige on neck, and threathing her with a knife,.. police and SWAT were outside, then one SWAT member while standinb by the window negotiating with hostige taker, pulls out a gun and shoothed him in the head, perp dies instantly,..
they can ended it more safer I think,...

[Tian318]

I saw one of theirs action on some video, and didnt like becauese they with their actions threathen the life of the hostige,... it was a situation in a bus, a guy was holding hostige on neck, and threathing her with a knife,.. police and SWAT were outside, then one SWAT member while standinb by the window negotiating with hostige taker, pulls out a gun and shoothed him in the head, perp dies instantly,..
they can ended it more safer I think,...

Well isn't that nice......
Committing murder(cause there was no need for lethal action at that time).
Putting the life of the hostage in danger.
and by shooting a criminal in the head, he probably gave the hostage a nice set of mental trauma with it.
1. having a bullet hit someone nearby.
2. if he missed, she/he be dead.
3. seeing a dead body.
4. being scared shit less, cause when you hear that gun firing,(and you are in a hostage position) you will crap your pants.

[917893678251]

Here's how they usually hand hostage situations.They have like 10-30 snipers pointing at the hostage taker,when the cops come in to negotiate with them,the sniper shoots their hand or somewhere,then the police use their arresting techniques to arrest them.

[racer123246]

Oh! Oh! Has anyone said the Pittsburgh SWAT yet???

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I couldn't get a truck pic... Sorry. It looks like the one for LA above^^

[frankie1988]

OCD is most likely referring to the thread title:

In which case his arguement is quite correct.
Suppose it depends on context...

as ocd has pointed out, Britain doesn't have SWAT teams, just ARUs. I think my region only has about 9-12 ARUs available. Closest I'll ever see armed officers will be at Edinburgh airport.

Picture is almost 3 years old, but I don't think anything's changed.

is that a HS 2000 handgun on picture?

[frankie1988]

Here's how they usually hand hostage situations.They have like 10-30 snipers pointing at the hostage taker,when the cops come in to negotiate with them,the sniper shoots their hand or somewhere,then the police use their arresting techniques to arrest them.

shooting at a hand of perp is not good at all, because muscle of the suspect can simultanosly strech and make hostige taker to shoot the hostage,.... so every sniper from that kind of unit is told and learned at academy to shot target in the nose or behind the ear,... because then target lose all his function, and muscels relax so it cannot pull trigge.,.. sniper will never shoot at target at other part of the body if hes threating someonelse life,..... at least - thats how it works in my country,...

btw. sorry for bad english,..

[szron]

Jednostka AT Policji

Polish SWAT