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[MCERT1]

If you still need help I could do some reskins if you have photos

[MCERT1]

I'll try to find pictures of them.

They have a photostream on Flickr

LASD ESD

Looks like they wear green jump suits and variations on that, officially their dress uniform is like and LASD patrol officer, but they wear all OD since they're part of the SED and wear the subdued patch

[MCERT1]

I have the regular medics with and without the stretcher done. I'll post pictures later, my editor doesn't like when I open close it every few minutes, so I have to give it a rest.

Anyways about the SWAT medic, should he be in the full BDU dress or more like the sniper?

Also while I'm at it do you want LASD SEB (SWAT) officers too, it should be an easy reskin?

Also I'm gonna reskin the medic case to a darker color too.

[saxguitar]

Do you plan for the medic to take ppl to the hospital or HQ?

[saxguitar]

couldn't you just add the GO to hospital command to it or something?

[MikesPhotos]

I was hoping someone else would step in before now but I guess I will...

A few points worth mentioning just off the cuff since I don't have a lot of time to get into detail..

• The ambulance is not an an ambulance, it was used, and may still be used, to carry extra gear, especially the dive equipment. It is NOT set up for medical transport, at least as far as the times I've ever seen it. Can anyone point to any info that contradicts that?
• The medics are all part of the ESD, and on swat operations will wear standard SWAT tactical gear and usually hang in the back in case the operation goes bad. Nothing really identifies them as special except a tiny patch similar to the SAR emt patch
• Otherwise they wear gear similar to the Search and Rescue guys, with Olive Drab jumpsuits, just subdued OD patches
• The other major truck is assigned to Air 5 and is the support vehicle for it.
• Their job is to just immediately triage, stabilize and move the patient to a safer area for the LACoFD (or other jurisdiction) fire dept medics to treat and transport. LAPD keeps one of their Armored vehicles (Rescue 4) set up as an ambulance of sort, with the ability to load injured civilians and sworn personnel and keep working on them until they are out of the danger area and then transfer them to fire dept medics and ambulance. I believe LASD has one of their ARV's set up similarly. The major difference is oxygen tanks, bls/als gear bags, and room for backboards instead of just being loaded up with swat gear.

Air 5 Support vehicle walk around
ESD SWAT vest and Helmet


LASD SEB uniforms

Newsman 91's shot of the back patch for SEB
Ryandiaz photo SEB Team Training with full gear on
SEB Team Training from Photobucket

LASD SAR Uniforms


All medics in the Sheriffs department are part of the ESD as I said earlier and farmed out as needed, Basically you'd just make regular LASD SWAT officers with dive and healing capabilities if possible. 2 Medics min, respond to all SWAT operations and they've all been through the basic SWAT school with most of them being former SWAT deputies.

To start forward thinking game usage, you need to start thinking about:

• How do you identify the LASD ESD medic from the regular LASD swat officers when they look the same in real life?
• Are you going to add dive capabilities to them?
• Will you be able to script the ability to change from swat medic gear to dive gear at the truck, similar to the way the FF changes into SCBA?
• are you planning on making a full LASD swat mod/submod with LASD armored vehicles too?

Mike

[MCERT1]

I've been trying to find stuff on the ESD Ambulance, but still can't find junk outside of the one photo (perhaps it is not in service anymore). From the ESD photo stream, they have three trucks all of which are similar to the model that's in creation.

Also, scripts to change clothes wouldn't be that hard, I could help if you want.

@Mike: I assume they have a contract ambulance on standby at SEB stuff then? Seems a little inefficent

[Grim_Wizard]

IT looks a lot like an animal control car...
Egal,
Good work

[MikesPhotos]

I've been trying to find stuff on the ESD Ambulance, but still can't find junk outside of the one photo (perhaps it is not in service anymore). From the ESD photo stream, they have three trucks all of which are similar to the model that's in creation.

Also, scripts to change clothes wouldn't be that hard, I could help if you want.

@Mike: I assume they have a contract ambulance on standby at SEB stuff then? Seems a little inefficent

Like I said before, the ambulance is just a gear hauler, mainly for dive equipment an such.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by inefficient. LACoFD and a contract ambulance will standby and assist the LASD during tactical operations by staging outside of the area and respond in if needed. Remember tactical medics are just that, tactical. They are there to provide instantaneous life saving support until the patient can be moved to an area of safety where Fire/EMS personnel can work him up and transport him. In truth, they might actually find their skills tested on an operation once every few years if that, but due to the danger involved in most ops, it tends to be a good idea to have an engine company, medics, and an ambulance standing by for one never knows what might happen operation. Remember, Tactical EMS is very different from standard EMS, and their mission and skill set is just to keep that victim safe and alive until they can be worked up by a full EMS crew and transported outside of the danger zone. They don;t carry the gear, drugs, and many other things a full EMS crew will, just enough things for their specific need such as an intubation kit.

The one benefit of having ESD medics assigned to SWAT, as opposed to members of the SWAT team paramedic rated is that like any other skill set, if you don't use it, you lose it. One of the complications of Tactical EMS is that they don't run medical aids, they don't deal with EMS on a day in day out basis, and they tend to focus as SWAT first, medics much lower down, and the quality has been shown to decline even with refresher courses. ESD medics on the other hand are constantly dealing with rescues and other critical ems situations while assigned to Air 5 and keep their skills current and fresh in many ways. But even then, their focus is on immediate stabilization and rescue, not really treat and transport. More often then not, LACoFD medics will join them on a rescue to work the patient up during transport if taken by Air 5.

Just ask yourself this, do you really want or need 2 specially trained LASD ESD Medics who are dealing with a downed officer after a bad operation, all amped up and worked up, having to transport the patient as well? Or does it make more sense for them to get the victim to safety and let the LACoFD guys handle him and transport?

[MCERT1]

It makes sense to have another medical unit on scene, to some degree. In Columbus they have the TEMS officers come to scene in a reserve medic unit and just hang back, to not type up another medic for the hours SWAT situations take. I can understand the benefits of both ways.