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[Xplorer4x4]

http://maps.google.c...r...le&resnum=1

There not that big. As for paid being faster response, the volunteer stations are usually staffed 24/7, so there response times would have been a bit quicker then the EFD station down the road one of the pumpers came from.

As for the device well it did kind of look something like a stretcher folded in 2, but since AMR was there and never got a stretcher out I dont see EFD getting a stretcher out,espically since none of there trucks are equipped for patient transport.

[jab16]

was it like any of these?

1)
http://images.google...htt...sa=N&um=1

2)
http://www.made-in-c...her-YDC-5L-.jpg

[Xplorer4x4]

No those are way to thin. Judging by the size of this thing it wasnt a stretcher. Plus no one was injured so there was never a need for a stretcher. This thing was probably about as thick as a bed mattress, if I had to guess the dimensions I would say 6 inches heights by 12 inches long, maybe 18 inches long. I cant describe it that well.

[pyrothijs]

was it like any of these?

1)
http://images.google...htt...sa=N&um=1

2)
http://www.made-in-c...her-YDC-5L-.jpg

I think it was the first one. It is used by ambualce crews as a ligthweight stretcher. Also the stretcher is about 1 meter long, but can be extended both ways for about 0.5 meters. So it can be placed in a crashed car to stabilize a patients spine and extended afterwards when the roof is removed. There are also stretchers like that that can be folded in stead of extended. That may explain why it looked different.

The second one is an evac chair. Out here ambulances do not have it. It is placed in buildings where people live who have difficulty walking. The evac chair can be used to help people get down the stairs much faster.

[Xplorer4x4]

It wasnt either. Even folded up it wouldnt be as thich as what I saw and since no one required a strecher there would be no point in a stretcher, and even if there was AMR would have used theres.

It was kind of D shaped.

[pyrothijs]

It wasnt either. Even folded up it wouldnt be as thich as what I saw and since no one required a strecher there would be no point in a stretcher, and even if there was AMR would have used theres.

It was kind of D shaped.

All right: another try

Maybe it was this:

http://district8.net...nt/09042008.jpg

It's a foldable platform that can be used to elevate fire fighters a few feet from the ground. That way they can reach the ceeling better if they need to take it out. Here we use it mainly for accidents with big trucks. We can deploy the platform and climb in the truck cab that way (or in the back as shown here ). Would be very logic to use that after an apartment fire and it would be logic to put it on a rescue truck.

When the platform is folded it's about a foot thick (25 cm), it can look like a D because of the rail (that's bigger then the platform and therefor the curves can make it look like a D).

I am at the fire station tuesday, I will see if I can take a picture of a folded one.

[Xplorer4x4]

Hmm I think what I saw had a cushion on it, but i cant be 100% sure. Plus I dont believe they had to poke holes in the roof or anything of that nature. There is visible smoke damage now, but I dont see holes in the roof unless there on the back side.

Maybe if I see it folded then I would know for sure.

[Newfoundking]

Well they might need it for other reasons the ventilation, there are many uses for it

[MCERT1]

The units responded may have been the result of simply what was available. The Volunteer department may have been tied up at the time. There are hundreds upon hundreds of well drafted contingency plans which explain who should go where if unit x isn't available. The 911 center has these in their computers and will dispatch appropriately. Also in volunteer areas I know of, they have a set procedure for dispatching calls. If a station cannot get underway within normally five minutes or two alarms, they will dispatch the next company. Also if the fire was confirmed as working prior to dispatch, they may have automatically bumped up priority and called EFD.

Also, in terms of attack, apartment complexes can go up in an instant. Many modern complexes have what is called open truss roof construction. basically they built the building as individual compartments that are sealed from each other, or every two apartments by a fire-wall capable of reasonably halting the spread of a fire. The problem is they leave the roof open, with no fire wall. This means the fire will travel across the roof and spread beyond the containment walls much faster. So an aggressive attack is very necessary.

Well the beeping sound was most likely the PASS. Personal Alert Safety System, it's attached to firefighter SCBA, and will trigger a shrill beep when someone remains still for an amount of time. Someone may have left theirs on after taking off their pack. Also the beep could have been from one of the pumps, they beep when the tank is low, full, or pressure is low, it all depends on model and make.

As for the Rescue, Rehab could be the reasonit was called. It may also have a portable cascade system to fill SCBA's which is sometimes necessary. The Unit could have also been called as a RIT (Rapid Intervention Team) they stand by ready to go in and rescue injured fire crews. The truck may have also been carrying necessary tools need by the crews on scene. My guess would be that it was a RIT crew for the fire.

Perhaps the large object was just a heavy duty ventilation fan on it's side?

[jab16]

Ok i have a question that has been on my mind for some time. about 2 months ago a quint, 2 pumper trucks, and an ambulance, along with a battalion chief responded to call right across the street from me, the thing was the firefighters responded IN SCBA gear, after about ten minutes the engines , qunit, and battalion chief were still there but one pumper truck lef.t but later about 25 minutes into it the battalion chief, quint, and other pumper just left and drove around my naborhood for about 45 minutes before they dissapered. and while those three units drove around the ambulance just sat there with the emt's in it, in fact they never got out of it. Then five minutes after the 3 other units left the ambulance left. I would have asked but they were all focused on somthing and did not say anything to me. No one was removed from the house and there was no smoke. Could it have just been a slow night, also is the driving around the area normal. Any answer helps as i am VERY curious about this.

[MikesPhotos]

Ok i have a question that has been on my mind for some time. about 2 months ago a quint, 2 pumper trucks, and an ambulance, along with a battalion chief responded to call right across the street from me, the thing was the firefighters responded IN SCBA gear, after about ten minutes the engines , qunit, and battalion chief were still there but one pumper truck lef.t but later about 25 minutes into it the battalion chief, quint, and other pumper just left and drove around my naborhood for about 45 minutes before they dissapered. and while those three units drove around the ambulance just sat there with the emt's in it, in fact they never got out of it. Then five minutes after the 3 other units left the ambulance left. I would have asked but they were all focused on somthing and did not say anything to me. No one was removed from the house and there was no smoke. Could it have just been a slow night, also is the driving around the area normal. Any answer helps as i am VERY curious about this.

So lets break this down..

• 2 Engines, 1 Quint, BC, Ambulance respond to a call
• Firefighters enter the premises in full PPE
• 10 mins later, 1 engine is released
• 25 mins later, remaining units investigate the area

Sounds to me like a smell of smoke, natural gas, or some other odor prompted the call. They responded with a typical structure response, got on scene, made their initial investigation, found nothing, and proceeded to drive around the area to see if they could locate the source until it dissipated. This happens a lot with methane from sewers or smell of electrical smoke from underground vaults. It usually manifests itself as a heavy initial release then dissipates over time as units make sure the issue is temporary and localized instead of part of a larger problem.

Many times the initial dispatch is incorrect as well. Someone calls to report that they smell smoke in the area, but instead say something is on fire and hangs up, dispatch sends a structure assignment who enter in full gear, only to find that someone was smelling a bbq from down the street.

Other times it's just a smell call and a few streets over you'll find public works send a man underground to locate the source and issue. Remember, FD responds to who calls, not necessarily where the problem actually is at first.

[jab16]

ok thank you. Kind of weird i did not smell anything but then again it was like 11:00pm. always nice to hear your response Mike thank you But wouldn't pd be there if it was some sort of gas leak?

[MikesPhotos]

ok thank you. Kind of weird i did not smell anything but then again it was like 11:00pm. always nice to hear your response Mike thank you But wouldn't pd be there if it was some sort of gas leak?

Why would PD be needed? Fire depts throughout the country respond to natural gas leaks, and all too often, construction accidents that puncture a pipeline. More often then not, it just involves turning off the gas to the home (shockingly simple, i know!) and notifying the gas company. Rarely, and I stress, RARELY, is a large scale evacuation of the area needed which might require pd assistance. Agencies respond in full structure fire mode just in case the worst case scenario occurs and there is an explosion or fire while en route.

As for smell, depends if you were upwind or downwind, and where it was localized.

[jab16]

ok that makes sence

PS: are you a magican you know everything

[Xplorer4x4]

The police took forever to show up the other day when there was a fire across the street. All they did was partially block the road so no one ran over the supply line for one of the engines, yet some dumb girl tried to go around the cop and was going to drive over the hose. Then another cop showed up, got out of his car, and stood there talking to the cop, who was in his cruiser blocking the road. Didnt even bother with directional lights is memorey serves me right.

[MikesPhotos]

The police took forever to show up the other day when there was a fire across the street. All they did was partially block the road so no one ran over the supply line for one of the engines, yet some dumb girl tried to go around the cop and was going to drive over the hose. Then another cop showed up, got out of his car, and stood there talking to the cop, who was in his cruiser blocking the road. Didnt even bother with directional lights is memorey serves me right.

There is a question in this or an answer to someone else's question?

[jab16]

what would this be used for LOL WFT OH my god a NYPD ice cream truck NO WAY
take a look

http://farm1.static....388add9.jpg?v=0

[Xplorer4x4]

There is a question in this or an answer to someone else's question?

Kind of elaborating on your "why would pd be needed"

[Xplorer4x4]

Question: Was at the hospital yesterday and an air evac(not one of ours) was posted up on the landing pad on the ground. Well it had a big thick yellow tube running into it. What does this yellow tube do?

[jab16]

probably fuel
or mabie cooling liquid cause those things get hot