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[rickyrescue]

I have a question about the way LAFD fights fires because i have been hearing lots of different things ever since the death of a fellow Fire Fighter due to roof collapse last week.

One is that they are to aggressive in their tactics and another is that they fight from the inside out. Is that dangerous to work for LA City Fire when LA County Fire covers more area, people, and has more personal and they rarely have Fire Fighters injured/killed in the line of duty.

[Xplorer4x4]

One is that they are to aggressive in their tactics and another is that they fight from the inside out.

This is just an assumption but I can only imagine that this really doesnt come down to a department call so much as it does the conditions. Usually the structure is the reason for fighting from the inside out. There were 2 huge fires here last year, and both were in very old, some what historic buildings. In both cases the FFs had to take a defensive stands. When it came to the fire at Woody's Night club, the roof was coming down, so obviously this meant they had to pull out and do a defensive tactic. In the case of the Tin Fish restaurant, the roof was made of Tin, I believe. The metal roof was making this a difficult fire. I believe they sited extreme heat as a major problem. Perhaps the metal based roof was unable to be ventilated since it would conduct the heat so well.



I Have a question of my own..

So the other night, here a Federal Q whaling. Quint 9 rolls up and stops in the apt complex. I went and sat on the patio by the office where I could see what was going on while being way out of the way. So an ambulance rolls in a few minutes latter. Im thinking oh its just a medic run, otherwise Engine 2 would be here or atleast with in range to hear there siren. A few minutes later I see a van with a light bar pull in but dont see it very good. I thought it was an ambulance. Nope it was Evansville Fire and Arson Investigation. Why would they show up for such a small fire? Quint 9 left like as soon as the investigator got here and AMR left a few minuets later with out a patient.

So my question is why send fire and arson?

[MCERT1]

The quick answer...

Something was suspicious about the fire.

Now, what made it a suspicious fire is the bigger question.

You'd be surprised how stupid people are when they set fires... It's can be very obvious that a fire was intentionally set.

Also, they may have jurisdiction on fire safety inspections, and if systems weren't working they can cite the party responsible for maintaining the system.

For example, we had a fire here a few years ago where post-fire, they found most the fire safety systems and extinguishers weren't up to code, and they slammed the rental company.

[Xplorer4x4]

Interesting, and trust me, I realize how stupid can be. 2 years ago, i think, on July 3rd, a girl started a fire in her kitchen(grease fire). So what does she do..? Grab the fire extinguisher? Apparently not. Call 911 as soon as it started to get out of control? Apparently not. Waits until the fire burns up the whole kitchen in the apartment then calls 911 who knocked it down with a single preconect. BINGO!

Anyways thanks for the answer. It had me curious since it didnt seem to be basic standard procedure for a fire of that stature(smoke was visible from across the street so it was obviously a fire just not bad).

[b2bomber]

Hey I have a question for all those FDNY fans. What kind of equipment does the High Rise Rescue Trucks carry with them to a call? I know that high rises are a much different kind of fire to fight since it can be high up and its in a totally different environmental. But i really cant think of anything in particular equipment wise that would make it so different. Maybe "High-rise Packs" and SCBA gear as well but other than that I cant think of much. I apologize if it has been asked before I searched the topic with 2 or 3 brief searches and could not find anything. (I saw fans in the comments but thats just kind of general)

talking about this truck in response here...

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

[JimmyKid]

Hey I have a question for all those FDNY fans. What kind of equipment does the High Rise Rescue Trucks carry with them to a call? I know that high rises are a much different kind of fire to fight since it can be high up and its in a totally different environmental. But i really cant think of anything in particular equipment wise that would make it so different. Maybe "High-rise Packs" and SCBA gear as well but other than that I cant think of much. I apologize if it has been asked before I searched the topic with 2 or 3 brief searches and could not find anything. (I saw fans in the comments but thats just kind of general)

talking about this truck in response here...

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

Probably High pressure pumps (if they are real) that are portable, and lightweight ladders with extra misc. tools.

Edited by JimmyKid, 27 June 2011 - 02:47 AM.

[MCERT1]

From what I've found, the high rise units carry extra fans, lighting, generators, extra SCBA bottles, and other miscellaneous tools (ropes,etc).
There are also special nozzles, but as far as I know they are only carried by designated engines. i would imagine the trucks also have extra hose packs too. Generally, you need between 1-3 lengths of hose per each story of a building.

[Dutycalls]

I got a question.

Which firehouse in the FDNY has 3rd Avenue within it's operational area? Couldn't find it on Google Maps. I'm working on a project.

Cheers,
Dutycalls

[Unit 42]

Engine 35 and Battalion 12 are ON 3rd ave so... yeah .

[Dutycalls]

Thanks. The project is a story so... Realistic one at that.

Cheers,
Dutycalls

[aitor]

I'm wondering if the LAFD uses F350/F250 ambulances, anyone knows?

[MCERT1]

I don't believe they have any...The newer ambulances are dodge chassis.

[salvador.c]

Any one Know what is the Manhattan dispatch Software?

[Sgt Alex4028]

Can Someone confirm for me, I spoke to a friend of mine who works for the FBI. Apparently, they are taking FBI Police off of the streets?

[Unit 42]

I have no clue! Google it haha.

[Newfoundking]

This is the first I've ever heard about it and google turns up nothing, so it can't be real. If google doesn't have it, then it doesn't exist.. Right?

Seriously though, I don't think they're disbanding them, they're just essentially security

[Sgt Alex4028]

I had a look, and even E-mailed several of my Contacts in the FBI. It arose, that they aren't taking them off the streets entirely.. YET! They're taking them out of secure areas and shifting them to more "vulnerable" areas. But in a couple of years, estimated 7, they'll begin to phase out experienced officers into agent positions, but will bring in newbies. I'm not even sure that I should be posting this, could be a secret operation or something AHA! But yeah, if I get anymore info.. I'll add it on

[MCERT1]

Makes sense that with on going budget issues we're having that there will be a level of possible downsizing to the force, etc. The important thing with that is that federal agencies develop budgets for years ahead of the current fiscal year. So it often takes a number of years to really see the impacts reflected in agency activities. It also sounds like typical FBI practices...slow and steady.

[Sgt Alex4028]

Yeah I see what you mean.. Nothing like us British then. If they wanna make cuts, they'll make sure its done in a couple of days, let alone a few years! But will definitely keep an ear out, I have a few friends in varied roles all over the FBI, its quite interesting to read that 5/8 knew about it

[L.C. Long]

They only have major, stupid cuts in the UK not usually US.