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[MagnesiumDew]

In reference to the boat question, will there be bigger boats for use outside freeplay?

Not that its a problem, just that the campaign missions could use a bigger boat. w

[MikeyPI]

No there is no need for larger boats than the final one.  The final vessels are quite large in their own rights. The Bravest and the Kane are quite large vessels Kane is 52 feet long and Bravest is 65 feet long.  These are not small vessels, and ultimately there are not many uses for vessels larger than that even in the original missions should one be so inclined.  The size of the vessel does not denote it's function, especially in this game and ultimately either of these two vessels we're discussing would be more capable than the original large fire boat.

[jamnj88]

http://www.capecodfd...Y_07_Old-M6.htm

 

 

I follow a guy who makes boat models and he made a model of the  kevin c kane and that is the site he said he used the most as he worked on his model.

 

There is also someone on flickr that has a bunch of pics but I can not open it on my work computer I will get on my phone and get you the link.

[MikeyPI]

Yes, that's where I sourced the best options for Kane from as well, thanks for the help, I appreciate it, though as it stands it's looking like bravest is going to win unless fans of the Kane one put in a few more votes. Either way it's looking pretty close going back and forth.

[MikeyPI]

Well, they say imitation is the greatest form of flattery, I wonder what it is then when someone just takes yours as their own...  I can't personally see it as flattery, but perhaps that's just me.  If not for the fact that we've already went down this road once before, and were given word that it would be resolved then I figured this would no longer be a problem.  Apparently taking this issue in good faith was a serious mistake, and I gave too much credit to the level of respect people are capable of.  There is a difference between accidentally doing something, and knowingly with full intention taking advantage of something. The first time something like this happens it's possible it's a misunderstanding, the second time it happens from the same people it's just pathetic.

 

What people fail to grasp is the level of time invested to do this type of hobby, time that could be placed into other things instead.  It is of course "not a big deal" when you're not the one actually taking the time and putting your effort into something, so I do not expect anyone who does not do it to understand my feelings..  I would expect other modders to grasp the concept though, and the flat out disregard for this just frankly speaks to a situation where people just prove their character for what it really is.  I've put a good deal of my time and energy into this project, working when I could to try to improve the modification as I went along and ultimately gained experience.  When it came to people asking to use the things that I put the time into, I simply asked to be informed so I knew where and how it was being used, and usually I let people have at it.  When people are just taking things without even so much as a common courtesy, that is a problem, but to take something and claim it as your own, that is just ignorant.

 

I don't figure that the community as a whole will frankly care what's transpired, more or less just figure "but that's toys you're taking away from me", and in fact it very well may, which is a shame.. Ultimately though it falls on the offenders for the faults in their actions that out of respect one would hope they would be up front about, but time and again people prove incapable of that courtesy, yet expect the respect they're incapable of giving to others...  The problem going forth is that I value my time greatly, and don't enjoy feeling it's being wasted, when someone is not only taking things that I put effort into, but taking them and not even using them in a different way from the way that I did, it really sits badly with me. Couple that with the indignant belief it's acceptable to not only take things but claim them as yours, yet expect people to credit you for yours speaks to an egotistical hypocrisy.

 

This community was intended to be a collaborative place where people could share and work together on things, ultimately it has become a place of givers and takers.  Where people have no qualms about stomping over anyone else so long as they get what they want out of it, which is fine if that's what you want to have, I certainly don't think it's an ethical way to be.  Take the time to think about the time invested by the people before you screw em over, for you it may only take 15 minutes but someone took the time and effort you're exploiting. This type of behavior that has become standard as of late may keep the gimmick "toys" coming that the community wants, but ultimately it also reduces the desire of people to waste their time in providing new and interesting things for the community to enjoy, if the goal is to ensure that people stop bothering to try to evolve this aged game all that has to happen is what has been a problem of late and people will stop wasting the time.

 

Because of how I feel regarding this stupidly ignorant scenario that has been presented, but more importantly the way in which it has been handled I figure it is not worth the hassle of wasting my time any further.  As such I am suspending this modification unless Hoop feels so inclined to continue forth with it, I can find more prudent things to do with my time rather than wasting it only to have others not only jack the things I put time into and claim them as their own, but to do so in such a way they feel compelled to be indignant when someone catches them.. The arrogance involved to think this way just boggles my mind, it ultimately comes down to respect of one another and the time and effort placed into even a hobby.. It may be "just a hobby" but it's still my time invested into this hobby, and ultimately what's the point in it if people can't even be respectful of one another when it comes down to it in the end.

 

For me unless something changes to drastically change my view, I'll find better uses for my time rather than trying to put new content into this ancient game that a limited number even play.  I as of right now see no reason for the effort when it'll just be hijacked without any regard what so ever for the time I put into it.  Thank you to everyone that supported what I tried to do while working on this project, it had its fun moments and was a good bit of work, but ultimately this latest affair just comes down as another example of everything that is wrong with people's viewpoints when it comes to respecting people's effort.  The reality is I can just as easily take the things I've put effort into as a hobby and sell them as opposed to making them for this game, and frankly with the lack of appreciation for the effort it certainly looks more practical to do that instead.

[Hoppah]

We made a lot of process lately, but unfortunately we decided to put the mod on hold for an undefined amount of time, perhaps forever. We already worked out many great new functionalities which weren't shown on screenshots yet and tier 1 of our mod was already playable. MikeyPI handcrafted tons of new beautiful vehicle models and I took care of the scripts, the map and great deal of the objects and buildings for the map. That said, both me and MikeyPI have a feeling that many of our added stuff will be jacked without any regard once we release the mod in public.

 

We've put massive time in it, but under current circumstances it'd hurt more seeing it torn apart and nobody giving a damn of the massive time we put into it. We apologize to the people who are serious about just happily playing it as an end-consumer and the mod-creaters who do give a damn about the source of the original content.

[Tacolover876]

Hoppah on vehicles lights will they be like the Manhattan Mod's lights because my computer can't handle that many lights

[BeastyBill88]

We made a lot of process lately, but unfortunately we decided to put the mod on hold for an undefined amount of time, perhaps forever. We already worked out many great new functionalities which weren't shown on screenshots yet and tier 1 of our mod was already playable. MikeyPI handcrafted tons of new beautiful vehicle models and I took care of the scripts, the map and great deal of the objects and buildings for the map. That said, both me and MikeyPI have a feeling that many of our added stuff will be jacked without any regard once we release the mod in public.

 

We've put massive time in it, but under current circumstances it'd hurt more seeing it torn apart and nobody giving a damn of the massive time we put into it. We apologize to the people who are serious about just happily playing it as an end-consumer and the mod-creaters who do give a damn about the source of the original content.

That is understandable though as soon as you release something on the internet for the public, everyone has it and starts tearing it apart but then if its not released it "hurts" the people who were looking forward to playing it. Its a no win situation. You release stuff and your creations gets copied/stolen etc, if you don't release it you get lots of disappointed people.

At the end of the day, it is up to yourselves as the content creators whether you wish to release your mods. You put the time and effort into it, but then only to have it ripped off you and someone is claiming its theirs.

 

Not sure if that made much sense... I've been up since 5am lol.

[WHFD ENGINE 23]

Hoppah on vehicles lights will they be like the Manhattan Mod's lights because my computer can't handle that many lights

He just said they aren't continuing the mod

[The Loot]

It sucks that a few ruin it for the many, but it also sucks that some let a few ruin it for the many: no one comes out the winner in these situations.

[Hoppah]

We probably both will remain active on the forums for a while. At least I'll be monitoring other projects and see how they progress and if people behave. For now, I just pull my hands off modding. We'll see what the future brings.

[CFDDIVE11]

Wow...

[FInn Rescue 12]

This Mod looks awesome can't wait to see more nice work! 

[WHFD ENGINE 23]

This Mod looks awesome can't wait to see more nice work!

They've stopped work

[jamnj88]

We made a lot of process lately, but unfortunately we decided to put the mod on hold for an undefined amount of time, perhaps forever. We already worked out many great new functionalities which weren't shown on screenshots yet and tier 1 of our mod was already playable. MikeyPI handcrafted tons of new beautiful vehicle models and I took care of the scripts, the map and great deal of the objects and buildings for the map. That said, both me and MikeyPI have a feeling that many of our added stuff will be jacked without any regard once we release the mod in public.

 

We've put massive time in it, but under current circumstances it'd hurt more seeing it torn apart and nobody giving a damn of the massive time we put into it. We apologize to the people who are serious about just happily playing it as an end-consumer and the mod-creaters who do give a damn about the source of the original content.

All I can say is welcome to modding. This crap has been happening in the GTA community for years. What made people think it would not happen in the EM4 Community. I know of mods that have used my stuff without permission but I do not see the point of causing a controversy on a forum and that seems to be what a certain individual within the EMP Community has done and now you guys are having to go through and check it all out and enforce it.

[itchboy]

All I can say is welcome to modding. This crap has been happening in the GTA community for years. What made people think it would not happen in the EM4 Community. I know of mods that have used my stuff without permission but I do not see the point of causing a controversy on a forum and that seems to be what a certain individual within the EMP Community has done. And because it happened to him and he has some power they have decided oh lets see how many other mods didn't credit properly.

You're talking to him lol. He's one of the 5 or so people with power. Show em what you feel lol.

 

What stuff have you made?

 

And it wasn't the moderators causing controversy, it was the certain mod author.

[helljumper51]

It is the principle that the old community rules are not respected anymore. Why should we waste our time creating just for 20 people to take it and call it their own. Sure I haven't fully released a mod. But I am a single modder and I create all my own content, never taken anything except stock items. But I have helped numerous people but now that ends until people can respect the work we all do by giving simple credit where credit is due. No matter your opinion the fact of the matter is, unless this community stops being so childish, modders will follow suit and stop creating becase this situation could have happened to any of us. It just so happened it affected two great modders.

[itchboy]

It is the principle that the old community rules are not respected anymore. Why should we waste our time creating just for 20 people to take it and call it their own. Sure I haven't fully released a mod. But I am a single modder and I create all my own content, never taken anything except stock items. But I have helped numerous people but now that ends until people can respect the work we all do by giving simple credit where credit is due. No matter your opinion the fact of the matter is, unless this community stops being so childish, modders will follow suit and stop creating becase this situation could have happened to any of us. It just so happened it affected two great modders.

Well said.

 

Now for my all caps and bold statements:

 

The moderators WILL BE making their final conclusions about the various authors. They aren't able to respond often or even occasionaly because they are so busy trying to trace down EVERY SOURCE FOR EVERY MODEL AND SKIN. This is why they haven't said anything yet, FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT THEY ARE NOT DONE YET WITH THE INVESTIGATION.

 

I see posts on FB and various media saying the site is ruled by children. Well, if you don't like it here, then GTFO. Thats it. There are many other sites you can go to for reskinned, rehashed and stolen content.

 

When these disrespectful people are gone, me, helijumper, the NYC Mod team and the rest of us will come back to making mods full swing. I can at least promise that on my end.

[helljumper51]

I agree with itch. If you look at most mods the main work has been done by a select few. Now all we will see is reskins.

[Newfoundking]

Guys, let's please keep things civil. There's a topic we're discussing plagiarism and all that in, why don't we only talk about this problem in that one?