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[C.F.D]

One of the foundations of making this modification is that we want to put an emphasis on the recognition we have for the real life emergency first responders and the challenges they have to face on a day to day basis.

We have a goal that we want to design a mod to allow a realism that YOU guys can relate and understand what it's like to deal with. There are so many variety of calls it prepares you for the next tone. We're hoping to incorporate 911 calls that will provide a challenge and critical thinking. Granted, emergency 4 can be so limited when it comes to scripting but we can also stage a scenario that requires roleplaying as well. So, we want YOUR help, firefighters, paramedics and police officers, to help us how we should design most of our scenarios.

Our scripter is requesting a list of medical calls and he need them to be classified as: Minor, Moderate and Severe. They would need to be classed this way so he know which callout is easy, medium and hard in terms of difficulty and patient injury level.

We only have 3 of the normal + contaminated injured animations of vanilla EM4 I'm afraid. But don't worry, we are prepared to get creative, we just need your help. So fire away medical calls that you could think of, we will take them in considerations and will factor which ones are feasible and isn't.

[itchboy]

One of the foundations of making this modification is that we want to put an emphasis on the recognition we have for the real life emergency first responders and the challenges they have to face on a day to day basis.

We have a goal that we want to design a mod to allow a realism that YOU guys can relate and understand what it's like to deal with. There are so many variety of calls it prepares you for the next tone. We're hoping to incorporate 911 calls that will provide a challenge and critical thinking. Granted, emergency 4 can be so limited when it comes to scripting but we can also stage a scenario that requires roleplaying as well. So, we want YOUR help, firefighters, paramedics and police officers, to help us how we should design most of our scenarios.

Our scripter is requesting a list of medical calls and he need them to be classified as: Minor, Moderate and Severe. They would need to be classed this way so he know which callout is easy, medium and hard in terms of difficulty and patient injury level.

We only have 3 of the normal + contaminated injured animations of vanilla EM4 I'm afraid. But don't worry, we are prepared to get creative, we just need your help. So fire away medical calls that you could think of, we will take them in considerations and will factor which ones are feasible and isn't.

Soo...to add to this message.

 

You guys want all kinds of stuff. I obviously can't add them all. My judgement tells me that I should only make 6 medical callouts at this current stage of production. Of these 6, 1 will be minor, 1 will be vanilla EM4 style, 2 will be moderate and 2 will be severe callouts (which have complex stuff in them)

 

Of each callout, there will be a further 3 variations of each, except the complex ones. The complex ones will only have 2 variants.

So the math is this:

• (4 of the callouts * 3 variants) + (2 callouts * 2 variants)
  • 12 + 4 = 16 different callouts. This isn't easy or simple. But I'll do what I can.
     

 

• Vanilla EM4 will be simply having a random person on map get injured. I will add some variation in it. Some patients are already dead, others are just minorly injured
• The other specific events will take place inside OpenHouses and make use of props (people trying to help, bystanders that need to be questioned, objects relating to the medical event, etc)
   

 

 

So why are we only doing medical calls now?

• Because the scripting portion has just started and I'm still finding the limits of this game. I choose to focus on medical calls because they are relatively easy to script compared to other calls. Even PD calls are harder.

[quasar3210]

Im an eight year experienced fire/ems dispatcher in my hometown. Its not Canada, but would be happy to help out the mod team in anyway that I can if you are looking for that type of assistance.


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[C.F.D]

Im an eight year experienced fire/ems dispatcher in my hometown. Its not Canada, but would be happy to help out the mod team in anyway that I can if you are looking for that type of assistance.


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Feel free to suggest something

[quasar3210]

How do you guys want to structure the ems calls?. Are there going to be BLS and ALS ambulances on the map or does Canada use an all ALS system.

Here is a link to my counties ems protocols.
http://county.milwau...rival_33105.pdf

Pretty much every basic complaint is in there, and this could be tweaked for calls/responses as you guys see fit and of course as much as the game allows


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[AZNALUBMA]

Hello! I'm trying to write what I think can be useful, let me know if it's ok the way I'm doing this.

I have few scenarios, the same scenarios can have different levels of complexity. (I used "minor", "moderate" and "severe" referring to the scene, not only to the patient's situation)

I'm not considering car accidents.

Suggestion/question: to improve realism, try to get the "CPR time" (the orange bar) longer (in order to get an ALS unit to the scene) but also longer to fill...is that possible? 

 

1 - Elder needs assistance: Minor - Pt. found seated in the living room, feels sick and needs to get to the hospital

                                            Moderate - Pt. fell in his house (add trauma equipment)

                                            Moderate 2 - Pt fell in his house (add trauma equipment and require ALS assistance)

                                            SEVERE - Pt requires immediate medical assistance, can't open the door, a dog inside the house will attack paramedics (requires ALS unit, Police, Fire Department and ladder if not accessible otherwise)

 

2 - Young man attempts suicide: Minor - Pt. had NON lethal drugs. Get him to the hospital. (needs bystander to be questioned)

                                                    Moderate - Pt locked the door (requires FD)

                                                    Moderate 2 - Pt. Found unconscious, requiring ALS unit. (for proper medical treatment on scene, you need to find the empty blister or question bystanders)

                                                    SEVERE - Pt. unconscious, not breathing. requiring ALS unit. Efforts on CPR are non effective, the patient is declared dead. Investigate on his death, finding drugs and, eventually, a suicide note (requires                                                         ALS unit, PD, CSI)

 

...Thinking more if these are ok  

[EmergencyFan6299]

One note on the severe call, make a scenario where the patient is required to be airlifted to hospital ASAP. You only have less than 20 minutes to get the Patient to the Hospital, due to the great loss of blood.

[Wkboy714]

I think it would lend fantastic credit to your mod if you incorporate realistic features in medical callouts never seen before. For example, false callers (who you have no idea are lying until you actually roll up and treat them, then you could hand them over to the cops if you wanted) and walking wounded/treatable on scene. As with the difficulty of information in real life, you could also have an event turn out completely different from what initially comes in.

[randomperson139]

I think it would lend fantastic credit to your mod if you incorporate realistic features in medical callouts never seen before. For example, false callers (who you have no idea are lying until you actually roll up and treat them, then you could hand them over to the cops if you wanted) and walking wounded/treatable on scene. As with the difficulty of information in real life, you could also have an event turn out completely different from what initially comes in.

False callers happens occasionally, usually there's just no sign of them when we get there... I like the idea of treating/discharging on scene, some things are simple enough to sort out so there's no need to convey. For example, elderly fall with no injuries, help them up off the fall, do some checks and leave them at home.

 

Calls not being what was given to us does happen regularly, for various reasons really. Bystander phoning Ambulance not knowing whole story, miscommunication, call taker assuming the worst (In the UK, there's also 111 referring pointless calls back to the 999 service...), etc. The list can go on. There's not really much benefit of this ingame, however scripted, unless there's some new form of treating where different calls require different treatments. As an example, report of cardiac arrest actually being a fall or something completely different would make no difference in game. The only way I can see misinformation happening in game would be probably too extreme to be realistic, eg report of RTC, actually collapsed person.

 

Looking forward to seeing the new team progress

[LAD23DER]

I really like the treat-and-release-patient idea, we do a fair amount of Pt refusals around here, especially with MVAs and falls.

 

One call we have every now and then is a Well Being Check. PD or Fire will get a call from someone about the fact that the person they are calling about is not answering the door or the phone. I think this would be a good type of call for this game because both PD and Fire/EMS go.

 

I'm sure this would be very hard to script and I don't know how it could be made for the incident to spawn in a house, but:

 

Units get on scene:

• House is Locked
• Person answers door and everyone can go in service

or

 

• Door must be forced by FD

Once inside the residence (If not a good-intent call):

• Person is there and injured
• Nobody is home

[C.F.D]

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[RCMPDude1337]

In regards to treating on scene and not transporting, I am not sure how BCAS operates, but in each instance I have worked with EMS in Alberta, regardless to how small/big the situation is, once EMS is dispatched to a medical emergency they are obligated to transport if thats what the patient desires. If the patient for whatever reason has EMS dispatched and then refuses transport afterwards, then EMS can treat and leave if they deem its not an issue that needs ER attention.

With transporting though, most people tend to believe that calling EMS gets them into the ER faster than just driving themselves in, and so they bite the $800+ Ambulance bill and call with their small issues. However with smaller issues the ER staff can make a patient that comes in with EMS wait in the waiting area, as there still is a "sickest/most injured get seen first". So those that call EMS with their small cough in hopes to get in and out faster get screwed with a $800+ bill and a 1-2 hour wait anyways.

Thats my rant. Like I said basing off what I see with my areas EMS, if the pt is requesting transport, EMS is incapable of refusing transport.

[LAD23DER]

Yup, here in MA, the Amb will transport unless they get a signed refusal from the pt.

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[quasar3210]

Holy smokes!! Excellent work CFD!! Better start saving up for a video card now though. Its my only weak link


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[Marshall8946]

Looking great! I'm in love with the HD effect.

I know I'm a bit late to the party but I saw your post about keep MP or not. If having MP would be ideal with where you are at now. Save what you have at this point in time. By vote members said they weren't worried about MP and wanted more single player options. Just an idea, maybe down the road when everything is set and done. You may find yourself wanting something more. And then, you may wish to add the MP as a separate mod for players who wish to play together. I'm sure you guys have plenty of backups, so why not keep one to the side just in case. Just an idea for thinking down the road.

You guys are doing amazing work!

[Fred03]

Looking great! I'm in love with the HD effect.

I know I'm a bit late to the party but I saw your post about keep MP or not. If having MP would be ideal with where you are at now. Save what you have at this point in time. By vote members said they weren't worried about MP and wanted more single player options. Just an idea, maybe down the road when everything is set and done. You may find yourself wanting something more. And then, you may wish to add the MP as a separate mod for players who wish to play together. I'm sure you guys have plenty of backups, so why not keep one to the side just in case. Just an idea for thinking down the road.

You guys are doing amazing work!

Hey Marshall welcome back!

I'd say that's a brilliant idea, good thinking.

[Tevion2GO]

 

 

Quick question: May I use this as a fanbanner in my signature?

[C.F.D]

^^ We'll be making fan banners today or tomorrow.

Looking great! I'm in love with the HD effect.
I know I'm a bit late to the party but I saw your post about keep MP or not. If having MP would be ideal with where you are at now. Save what you have at this point in time. By vote members said they weren't worried about MP and wanted more single player options. Just an idea, maybe down the road when everything is set and done. You may find yourself wanting something more. And then, you may wish to add the MP as a separate mod for players who wish to play together. I'm sure you guys have plenty of backups, so why not keep one to the side just in case. Just an idea for thinking down the road.
You guys are doing amazing work!

Thanks for your suggestion, Marshall, we will add MP later down the journey after the mod is released, if we have the manpower to do so. Right now it's just not on the table .

[itchboy]

^^ We'll be making fan banners today or tomorrow.

Thanks for your suggestion, Marshall, we will add MP later down the journey after the mod is released, if we have the manpower to do so. Right now it's just not on the table .

We could release an MP version without the mission script and new callouts. Just imagine base LA mod with RCMP vehicles.