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#41 Hoppah

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Gepost 03 december 2009 - 11:10

fighting for liberty? right. anyone in the military is just throwing their life away at the most pointless and unlawful conflict in history. weve been there and accomplished what we needed to. now we need to leave and focus on the problems at home instead of pissing around in some countries nobodys ever heard of.


I would've been in the military under different circumstances. Thanks man.


Why that?
Whole world gone bang?


Possible. There were no WMD's in Iraq in 2003, without the invasion they MIGHT have got them by now. Remember that Saddam Hussein was a dictator and already used WMD's on a 'smaller' scale before (Iraq-Iran war and the Kurdish people). And don't forget Iran, they seem to have the resources to build them now.

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Gepost 03 december 2009 - 11:11

Without troops terrists would be able to conduct attacks on the U.S. everything that is going on is not to stop attacks completly but to prevent them from happening. With troops putting pressure on terrists they are not able to carry out attacks like 9/11
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Gepost 03 december 2009 - 11:13

Fair point(s)
But i live in the middle of nowhere in England so unless the whole world went bang i wouldn't be affected. (thank god)


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Gepost 03 december 2009 - 11:22

Fair point(s)
But i live in the middle of nowhere in England so unless the whole world went bang i wouldn't be affected. (thank god)


They got pretty close to you on July 7, 2005. You aren't even save on a little island.

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Gepost 03 december 2009 - 11:29

They got pretty close to you on July 7, 2005. You aren't even save on a little island.

No, they got London. Most of the British population is confined to small places, so technically he's safe.

Does the OP know who might have done it? Or did he hand out his msn to hundreds of people?

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Gepost 03 december 2009 - 11:30

Yep^

I suppose if i had gone travelling to London on that day i might not be here. Same with people all over the world. :(
But if i stay in my little house I'm safe :)

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Gepost 03 december 2009 - 11:42

Yep^

I suppose if i had gone travelling to London on that day i might not be here. Same with people all over the world. :(
But if i stay in my little house I'm safe :)

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Make sure to dig a cave there if you want to be safer than that. That house can burn down and I don't think there is a fire department out there. :)

You didn't really got the point of my previous post. Terrorists were able to blow themselves up in downtown London, that means they had the resources and the opportunities to complete terrorist attacks. What if they used something on a larger scale? (airplanes, chemical, biological or even nuclear weapons). Terrorism goes far beyond the actual attacks itselves also. I'm sure you were frightened that day (unless you was like 8 back then).

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Gepost 03 december 2009 - 11:56

Make sure to dig a cave there if you want to be safer than that. That house can burn down and I don't think there is a fire department out there. :)

You didn't really got the point of my previous post. Terrorists were able to blow themselves up in downtown London, that means they had the resources and the opportunities to complete terrorist attacks. What if they used something on a larger scale? (airplanes, chemical, biological or even nuclear weapons). Terrorism goes far beyond the actual attacks itselves also. I'm sure you were frightened that day (unless you was like 8 back then).


F*ckin Right on Hoppah! If you people don't like war, you don't like government, not soldiers. Soldiers sign up for two resons:
1) Either they believe in the cause, or
2) They don't want conscription/drafting to come into effect and their friends and/or family to have to go.

Me, I found my own reason. Its not about the war, or the government, or oil. It's about the poor soldier next to you, who wants to get home just as bad as you do. But, he's got more reasons. Be it his mother was just diagnosed with cancer, or his Girlfriend/Wifer was in a car accident, or his BEST friend is in the Intensive Care Unit still trying to recover after 9/11, or he just wants to hear his newborn baby cry. But, he doesn't know if he's going to be able to COME home. Those are my reasons.

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It is the soldier, not the poet, Who has given us freedom of speech.
It is the soldier, not the organizer, Who has given us the freedom to demonstrate.
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And whose coffin is draped by the flag, Who allows the protestor to burn the flag.

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Gepost 03 december 2009 - 11:57

You didn't really got the point of my previous post. Terrorists were able to blow themselves up in downtown London, that means they had the resources and the opportunities to complete terrorist attacks. What if they used something on a larger scale? (airplanes, chemical, biological or even nuclear weapons). Terrorism goes far beyond the actual attacks itselves also. I'm sure you were frightened that day (unless you was like 8 back then).

Simple. The British have a weapon against terrorists - Glasweigians.
"eh, naw. Wit de yer think yer da'in? The only da'in ter'rism roond here is me!"

The one who can get the most kicks and punches into a burning terrorist before the police arrive is the winner.

Edit: that really bad glasweigian impression is going to get me stabbed/raped/mugged/shot/stabbed (probably in that order LOL) - nice knowing you guys :P

(no offence to Glasweigians, just joking)

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Gepost 03 december 2009 - 11:58

my meaning is that all the US did is make the world more unsafe by pissing off the terrorists... Make love not war, condoms are cheaper than guns


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Gepost 04 december 2009 - 12:03

Make love not war, condoms are cheaper than guns

No thanks.
The guns are much more interesting.

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Gepost 04 december 2009 - 12:04

No thanks.
The guns are much more interesting.

:WTF: War better than sex? :stupid:


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Gepost 04 december 2009 - 12:05

Well, the millitary operations goes under the so called "war" against terror... And no, it never got a go from the UN... And also, it clearly breaks the geneva convention when it comes to POW's

Oh really? Since when did the Taliban or Al-Qaeda care about the Geneva convention? Doubt that was in Al-Qaeda's mindset when they beheaded a man in front of a camera. As far as American and NATO treatment of POW's I don't get where your going. We have some of the nicest facilities for detaining terrorists, Gitmo is a facility that has a non-government employee to make sure the prisoners are being treated right. This war or "military operation" as you so eloquently put it is restoring order to a failed state, Afghanistan.

fighting for liberty? right. anyone in the military is just throwing their life away at the most pointless and unlawful conflict in history. weve been there and accomplished what we needed to. now we need to leave and focus on the problems at home instead of pissing around in some countries nobodys ever heard of.

Tell that to a soldier, marine, airmen or sailor. "pissing around in some countries nobodys ever heard of." Tell that to an Afghan civilian. Your ignorance is simply astounding. Pointless and unlawful? I guess we should just leave the middle east to create a giant clusterfuck like most of Africa is. Do you even know anything about those people "throwing their life away at the most pointless and unlawful conflict in history."? My uncle was there in Fallujah in 2005, less than a year after we launched Phantom Fury, a operation to take back the essentially insurgent run city. My uncle says he was slapped by a woman when he was there, but you know what, that isn't what he remember most about when he was there. He told me the things he remembers most were the kids without a real school or education system, the non-existent police force, and the violence of the insurgency. My cousin, nearly killed by an IED in I believe 2006, thinks the war in Iraq is just. His job was to clear IEDs off roads and destroy caches of weapons. He put his life in jeopardy just about everyday he left the wire and he believe that when he left Iraq was taking baby steps in the right direction. Maybe if we didn't let greedy black suits run our military affairs and instead let men that have put their lives on the line and fired a weapon in charge we would be better off.

As for Afghanistan, I'm glad that Obama is starting to shift troops there. The Taliban are feared by Afghan civilians, even the Pashtun fear them. Afghanistan is a war our military knows how to fight, Iraq was completely alien to us. We learned from it and we can apply our new and old skills to the war in Afghanistan.

my meaning is that all the US did is make the world more unsafe by pissing off the terrorists... Make love not war, condoms are cheaper than guns


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Gepost 04 december 2009 - 12:08

F*ckin Right on Hoppah! If you people don't like war, you don't like government, not soldiers. Soldiers sign up for two resons:
1) Either they believe in the cause, or
2) They don't want conscription/drafting to come into effect and their friends and/or family to have to go.


The only reason people join up is because they want to kill people, it's true, it's what they all say. (where i'm from anyway)


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Gepost 04 december 2009 - 12:09

my meaning is that all the US did is make the world more unsafe by pissing off the terrorists... Make love not war, condoms are cheaper than guns


I am pretty sure it was Osama Bin Laden and his friends who urged the jihad against the West (long before) the attacks on 9/11. Your opinion isn't really objective, is it? So tell me, are you here to bash the US or are you just that simple-minded as I already thought?



The only reason people join up is because they want to kill people, it's true, it's what they all say. (where i'm from anyway)


There is no army in the world with its goal to kill people. How old are you actually that you think people join the army to kill people? That's just ridiculous. Do you actually KNOW people who are or have been in the army?

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Gepost 04 december 2009 - 12:12

My close family member- part of the USMC served a tour in Iraq, was hit by an IED and receved a purple heart- discharged from the USMC. After he got out he joined blackwater, so he can help vital supplies get to the people that need it doing this for less then normal pay. Everyone needs to remember not to take anything for granted, there are people in the middle of this that are being affected, and our troops are protecting them and preparing there forces to protect.
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Gepost 04 december 2009 - 12:19

The only reason people join up is because they want to kill people, it's true, it's what they all say. (where i'm from anyway)

Sarcasm correct? I hope it's just because my sarcasm detectors are off.
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Gepost 04 december 2009 - 12:19

I'm gald you can laugh this off... chances are, you don't have friends who are there. You haven't been to a soldiers funeral, seeing his wife cry. F*ck. One of my really good friends is in CFB Petawawa trainging to deploy to Afghanistan. One person, whom I've never met, but added me on Facebook for defending her career, has JUST, JUST been deployed. Guess who she leaves behind? I baby son. No more than 3 years old. You try leaving your 3 year old son, not knowing is he's ever gonna see you again. THEN, and only then, do you have ANY right to criticise/demean ANY of the worlds Armies, Navies and Air Forces.
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Gepost 04 december 2009 - 12:22

The only reason people join up is because they want to kill people, it's true, it's what they all say. (where i'm from anyway)

Quite frankly, we are a nation of nutters :happy:

Oh no, jab mentioned Blackwater. £10 says someone starts a rant about how bad they are etc etc

USMC123 and Jab16 sound like they have a really awesome family, good for yous :)

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Gepost 04 december 2009 - 12:25

Sarcasm correct?

Nope, you ask an 18 year old why he wants to fight in the war. They will almost always say 'i want to f*ucking kill some f*ucking terrorists. Or something like that.

Yep, hunter 'nation of nutters'