1817 replies to this topic

[MikesPhotos]

I have one idea for 1.7 or 1.8. I think there should be alarm codes. So if it is a call that has to do with possible structure fires, the script would automatically select the 2 closest engines, the closest arial, the closest battalion chief, and the closest medic unit. That would be first alarm, then the BC would be able to call a second alarm, which would be another engine and the USAR, third alarm would be a water tender and another engine, 4th alarm would be a water tender and ect....

i think this would make the game a little easier and more realistic.

First, please see this post for the answer regarding alarm codes. Second, the whole point of the game is that you are also the dispatcher! It is up to you to decide whether or not you send every unit on the map, just a few units, or spread it out by leaving some units in the station and calling units from off map instead based on the area of the fire. For example, say the car accident or fire is next to the entry point, do you want to deplete your stations or use the nearest units? Or say its a brush fire in the park, do you want to deplete your stations when the ANF engines and brush patrols are closer from off map? There are a thousand ways to handle each call, but as for easier or more realistic, leaving the decisions and choices up to you I feel is the best way.

Also i think that there should be a command for units to hook up to hydrents, like the engines cant use there deck gun if they arnt hooked to a hydrent or water tender. this is really realistic, my fire engines pump at 1500gpm and they have 1000gal tanks, let see if we want to open up our deck gun our water supply is out in 45 seconds. Also it would effect the people on hoses, they would be able to extinguish faster when the engine is hooked up to a hydrent.

See this post and this post and search for hydrant for others.

[AgentSmith6]

I remember seeing that several CHP officers were EMTS on a reality TV show not too long ago. I thougt it was just this one officer, until I saw another episode where a different officer with a EMT bag and he said he was an EMT. Mike, any insight?

[Spaloo]

I remember seeing that several CHP officers were EMTS on a reality TV show not too long ago. I thougt it was just this one officer, until I saw another episode where a different officer with a EMT bag and he said he was an EMT. Mike, any insight?

CHP in LA County generally do not do medical care. If some of them take it upon themselves to help, as a good samaritan, that is up to them. From what I remember, there are no EMT/officers or paramedic/officers in Los Angeles county. I do not know if the CHP air unit is a medical evac helicopter or not.

Also, some of the officers may have EMT certifications, but they are not hired in as medical personnel.

[MikesPhotos]

I remember seeing that several CHP officers were EMTS on a reality TV show not too long ago. I thougt it was just this one officer, until I saw another episode where a different officer with a EMT bag and he said he was an EMT. Mike, any insight?

CHP in LA County generally do not do medical care. If some of them take it upon themselves to help, as a good samaritan, that is up to them. From what I remember, there are no EMT/officers or paramedic/officers in Los Angeles county. I do not know if the CHP air unit is a medical evac helicopter or not.

Also, some of the officers may have EMT certifications, but they are not hired in as medical personnel.

Spaloo is nearly correct once again. In many of the more rural areas of the state, some CHP officers will take the class on their own time and usually out of their own pocket and buy a standard galls EMT bag or have the local FD supply them with some BLS gear.

I can't speak for CHP itself, but many of the other law enforcement agencies in LA County require you to go through the EMT-B program before joining special units like boat or swat. This isn't for the citizens safety but for their own 99.9% of the time.

As for the CHP air unit, some are air ambulances and some are not depending on where in the state. Mostly up north do you find the CHP birds staffed with medical personnel simply because they're probably the only one in the area. The Jet Rangers down here in LA and OC are not.

To be blunt, it is a rare cold day in hell when a star in hollywood calls for a cab instead of driving drunk and even rarer when a cop puts down his notepad and provides medical treatment. There are a few out there that have a goodness in their heart and want to help everyone, but it is neither standard nor common.

Mike.

[Zallomallo]

Because of wyes, we can now control hose length. Cheaper fire trucks(in 1.7 budget should be an issue) have only the option of the typical rope, but on the more expensive trucks(I dunno?), after you get to the typical rope length(have a script check for distance from the script from the truck), it places a "wye" that can only hold one person and looks like normal rope and is unselectable so you can't even tell it is there! Also a daily pay for your staff? Also make an equipment restriction on all fire trucks like it is in real life, so you can't get 9 med bags from the same ambu(maybe 2), and you will have to call for additional trailers and stuff if you run out. Also maybe even EMT have bags? Also, all equipment should have to be put back in the place you get it, its annoying how only stuff from LA MOD has to be put back. You should also have the option to drop it, but then it is there and annoying. Also finally cops and SWAT should have flashlights that light it up a little(about 2/3 or 1/2 of the engineer thingy).

Thanks for reading, I hope this hasn't been suggested before, I am still learning. Thanks

[station9emt/firefighter]

When I went through the Candidate Process for the CHP in 93' it was requirement that all Candidates needed to either have an EMT-1A certification or be able to pass the EMT-1A course that was taught in the academy. Many of my Paramedic Brothers and Sisters left to join CHP during my tenure as a EMT-1A in Central California (Fresno County).

As a reserve Peace Officer in Central California, I provided BLS support on many occasions. We did have a med bag in our trunks but nothing like what we carried in the Ambulance's. Simple BVM (Bag Valve Mask) and some first aid supplies (Triangle Bandage, 4x4s, 2x2s) was about it. I may have been an exception in most cases, however I know when it comes to being a First Responder (Police, Fire, EMS) you accept an inherent responsibility to treat if you have been trained in BLS or First Aid. In the event a family member can prove that you have been trained and refused to carry out your duty, it can be an ugly legal battle, and you are likely to lose.

My .000002 cents worth

Mikayla

that is absolutly right. for many reasons. 1. once you become a police, fire, or emt. you are taking an oath to protect and serve as the great side of the vehicle that you see on every street.,.. with that you are needed to take an BLS class so you are able to better serve IE yourself and the citizens and brother/sisters around you. this goes for alot of city and town police. i was in a small town but the sheriff and town cops were apart of the vol. fire dept. so they have the training. my two cents.

[MikesPhotos]

When I went through the Candidate Process for the CHP in 93' it was requirement that all Candidates needed to either have an EMT-1A certification or be able to pass the EMT-1A course that was taught in the academy. Many of my Paramedic Brothers and Sisters left to join CHP during my tenure as a EMT-1A in Central California (Fresno County).

As a reserve Peace Officer in Central California, I provided BLS support on many occasions. We did have a med bag in our trunks but nothing like what we carried in the Ambulance's. Simple BVM (Bag Valve Mask) and some first aid supplies (Triangle Bandage, 4x4s, 2x2s) was about it. I may have been an exception in most cases, however I know when it comes to being a First Responder (Police, Fire, EMS) you accept an inherent responsibility to treat if you have been trained in BLS or First Aid. In the event a family member can prove that you have been trained and refused to carry out your duty, it can be an ugly legal battle, and you are likely to lose.

My .000002 cents worth

Mikayla

Like I said, up north is a different story. When I worked in the more rural CDF areas up north the PD tended to be more active in the EMS system simply because response times could be in mid-double digits and some rigs were (and sigh, still are) staffed with just 1 firefighter! Here in the Los Angeles area, where response times for the first fire apparatus is under 5 mins for 90% of the calls, PD tends to maintain a very hands off patient/hand on notebook mentality.

You are correct in that the California Highway Patrol and many other depts put every member through the 48hr First Responder course which, as you can imagine with just 48hrs, is a very very basic class. By comparison for those in other countries or areas, California's EMT-B regulation is over 130hrs, with some areas requiring additional hours, sometimes pushing the lecture to 200hrs for local protocols.

[Ami89E1234]

i know its off topic but i saw an episode of Emergency! the other day where some rock climbers fell and were stuck in some really rural county and only the sheriff was on scene as well as some bystanders, and the two firemen came along yadayadayada, the nearset ambulance was one hour away and same with the nearest clinic. the nearest fire truck was even farther away, and the sheriff had a basic first aid kit (the ones u get from Walgreens) and then they all talked about instituting a paramedic program in the county.

sorry lol

just helping prove ur point

[Hoppah]

It looks kinda obvious to me that police officers can (not have to) take medical trainings to get these qualifications.

[theparanoid]

i know its off topic but i saw an episode of Emergency! the other day where some rock climbers fell and were stuck in some really rural county and only the sheriff was on scene as well as some bystanders, and the two firemen came along yadayadayada, the nearset ambulance was one hour away and same with the nearest clinic. the nearest fire truck was even farther away, and the sheriff had a basic first aid kit (the ones u get from Walgreens) and then they all talked about instituting a paramedic program in the county.

sorry lol

just helping prove ur point

Keep in mind Emergency! is set in 1970 when the Paramedic progarm was new. Not manly places in the us had paramedic at the time Pittsburgh and LA were about it.

[AgentSmith6]

Ok, pardon my stupidity, but I'm confused. Mikayla said that CHP candidates in the early 90's had to be a EMT-1A or be able to pass the course at the academy. Was that kind of a 1 time thing, or are there more than one CHP academy?

[Zallomallo]

WE SO NEED TO ADD THIS >>>>>>>>>>>CLICK ME<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


Also, we could add Light Rescue, Medium Rescue, and Heavy Rescue trucks

[MikesPhotos]

Ok, pardon my stupidity, but I'm confused. Mikayla said that CHP candidates in the early 90's had to be a EMT-1A or be able to pass the course at the academy. Was that kind of a 1 time thing, or are there more than one CHP academy?

Not sure what you're question is but let me try and tackle this. The CHP Acad is located in West Sacramento, CA and is one of the most amazing acad's I've ever taken classes at. They still have the requirement that every CHP officer be trained to "First Responder" level (old 1A which is a term no longer used).

Does that answer your question?

[MikesPhotos]

WE SO NEED TO ADD THIS >>>>>>>>>>>CLICK ME<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


Also, we could add Light Rescue, Medium Rescue, and Heavy Rescue trucks

Sorry for posting twice in a row, but I have to ask:

Why do we need to add units that aren't used in Los Angeles? Really? Why?

Having asked that,.... Hoppah has been gracious enough to ask for, accept, and institute many changes asked for in this thread and on these forums. In return for his hard work and effort and time, all he has asked, all any of us have asked, is that you take a few seconds before posting and THINK! Say WHY you want these units, because they're cool is not an answer. Say HOW you want them to be implemented, does it carry something special, does it do anything special, does it do something we haven't thought of? And last but not least.... DO NOT ask for stuff that isn't used in the LA area. If you aren't sure, there is an Offering My assistance thread where you can ask questions as well as the Emergency Questions thread.

If you won't take the time, don't expect us to waste ours.

Mike

[MikesPhotos]

Does the LAPD have a Riot Unit?

If yes would be nice if we could add them to the game only as a Person no car and they would be able to be put in any SWAT Vehicle

The simple answer is no they do not. During large demonstrations and riots, Metro Divison officers (foot/bike patrols, horse patrols, SWAT and others) would be the main source of specialized personnel, but all officers are trained in crowd control/riot situations. Most officers are issued special helmets with face shields and gas masks during those times and it is the Metro officers who will be armed with tear gas and less-than-lethal devices.

[Spaloo]

About PD/sheriff/chp having to render medical aid...

Because they fall under the category of "first responder" does not require them to render medical aid. Being dispatched to a call in which someone is hurt does not require them to render aid, either. Is there a duty to render aid? Not necessarily. The reason they are dispatched is to assure scene safety and for law enforcement. Is there a breach of duty if the officer is an MFR/EMT/Paramedic? No, unless the officer's assignment is on an EMS/PD vehicle, which does not exist in LA County (except special teams like swat, helicopter, etc). The breach of duty would come if they were dispatched to render medical aid, which they usually aren't. Their department would not support them if they rendered poor treatment that injured or killed the patient. Their job is law enforcement and safety.

Again, officers can take it upon themselves to render aid, like the fresno county officer stated. Also, I believe they would fall under the "Good Samaritan" law if their assigned duties did not include medical aid, and tney decided to try and help. Their EMT/Medic license would be brought up if they were functioning as such in their normal job function.