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[Newfoundking]

I never even noticed that they used wooden ladders, but makes more sense.. The ones we use are either wood(only a couple) or solid metal or aluminum ones, nothing hollow, but the Solid ones a very heavy

[MikesPhotos]

Sorry for asking this but why does the LAFD uses wood ladders instead of metal?

The metal ladders looks much safer and harder to brake!

A search on these forums would have shown you this post in this thread.

[C.F.D]

Any Search and Rescue Quads? or FD Quads

[MikesPhotos]

Any Search and Rescue Quads? or FD Quads

By quad, i'm guessing you are reffering to all terrain vehicle. The USAR and CA TF do have a few like these:


But they're just used for logistical purposes not for off roading.

[Renal]

Does LA have anything similar to the "7 person rule" for medical dispatches?

[MikesPhotos]

Does LA have anything similar to the "7 person rule" for medical dispatches?

For LAFD, No, in fact most medical dispatches are based on a complex EMD matrix that assigns it a category level and an algorithm based on available resources and time-on-scene to decide. To simplify it, the worst case scenarios will get the nearest fire company (Light force or Engine, with engine taking priority) and an ALS Rescue Ambulance. That is 4+2 or 6+2 on scene. Other calls might just get an 800 rescue ambulance and no additional resources, say for an extremity injury. The goal of the algorithms is to get BLS or Paramedic Assessment level care on scene as fast as possible, usually in 3 minutes or less from time of dispatch, with Paramedic care being there in 5 or less.

LACoFD will either send an Engine, Light force, or Truck with a squad and ambulance which will give you 7 to 9 personnel on scene depending on the response. For stations with Patrols, depending on the way that station operates, they'll usually respond to all medical aids along with the Engine, Squad and ambulance as well.

[Renal]

For LAFD, No, in fact most medical dispatches are based on a complex EMD matrix that assigns it a category level and an algorithm based on available resources and time-on-scene to decide. To simplify it, the worst case scenarios will get the nearest fire company (Light force or Engine, with engine taking priority) and an ALS Rescue Ambulance. That is 4+2 or 6+2 on scene. Other calls might just get an 800 rescue ambulance and no additional resources, say for an extremity injury. The goal of the algorithms is to get BLS or Paramedic Assessment level care on scene as fast as possible, usually in 3 minutes or less from time of dispatch, with Paramedic care being there in 5 or less.

Are the algorithms available? Or could you apply the game incidents to them for us please?

[MikesPhotos]

Are the algorithms available? Or could you apply the game incidents to them for us please?

No they are not, and if you read the tooltips over the incident, they already are applied.

[Renal]

No they are not, and if you read the tooltips over the incident, they already are applied.

Don't all of them just say; paramedic resource and ambulance for transport.

[MikesPhotos]

Don't all of them just say; paramedic resource and ambulance for transport.

What more do you want? There is no EMD in the game to tell you if you have a patient that is minor, moderate, or severe, even with the call type. Falls, heart attacks and food poisonings can all be either low on the life bar or high depending on your difficulty setting. It is YOUR job to decide what resources to send and how to send based on the call type and availability of units. That could be the LACoFD Paramedic squad and an 800, it could be an ALS engine and an 800, it could be just an a Paramedic RA and no one else, it could be an Air Ambulance or any other type of combination the game allows. There is no way possible to apply a 9 tree decision process algorithm to a game that has 1 step - guy lying on ground needs to be picked up and seen by an ALS unit... soo.. send an ALS unit. If you are a role player who wants utmost authenticity, you'd send the nearest Fire Company along with the ALS unit, but even that wouldn't be always authentic because depending on the algorithm you could get the following responses for the same ALS required medical aid patient in different areas at different times of the day:

Paramedic Assessment Engine and RA
Paramedic Assessment Light Force and RA
Paramedic Assessment Engine and 800
Paramedic Assessment Light Force and 800
RA and 800
2 RAs
BLS Engine and RA
BLS Light Force and RA
Just one RA and no one else
LACoFD Squad and 800
LACoFD Squad and RA
LAcoFD Squad, Patrol, and Engine, and 800
LAcoFD Squad, ALS Engine and 800
LAcoFD Squad, ALS Engine and RA
Light Force, Engine, RA, and Air Ambulance
and so on and so forth through a multitude of lists.

And with the game never requiring you to interview family members, gather meds, carry down flights of stairs, lift 600lbs patients who are unconscious in a bath tub, there is no reason to send a light force along with the RA unless all of your ALS units are committed and you need to send the nearest fire company to at least see if the patient can be stabilized for transport.

That is what makes the algorithm so complex and in the game you have to make the decision yourself. Send the correct resource to the correct call. If an RA only will do, just like in real life an RA is all you will and should get. If ALS is extended ETA, then you get whoever is closest.

That is why the cad tip says: Nearest Paramedic Resource and RA for transport.

It's up to you to decide who what when and where because there are just way to many possibilities. Here is an old quote from Brian Humphrey, PSO for LAFD on the Dispatch algorithms:

Q - What is the determinant for 1st responder (i.e. engine/light
force/PM engine)?

A - The LAFD Dispatch algorithm is a full page of text that drills down
to a nine box decision tree. That sounds easy enough, but it takes me at
least 4 hours to explain the whole concept in a classroom setting. Yep,
just that one page of text to people who already have tremendous insight
into our Department <sigh>. Thankfully, the computer is able to easily
transition the input of variables through the logic process.

To dumb that down even farther so people in Bulgaria, Africa, or 12 year old boys in England who play this game can understand it, you end up with Nearest ALS and ambulance for transport.

Mike

[MikesPhotos]

I know it frustrating when ppl ask the same questions and stuff over again,and ask for everything to be easy,but
not wanting to sound rude or anything,but aint the comment you put here kinda racist?

Not at all. The point of the mod is to make the game accessible to those in all areas of the world, West and East, North and South, regardless of language or skill level or understanding of the Los Angeles Fire and EMS and Law Enforcement system. Be they a child in London, or a Paramedic from africa, or someone from eastern europe who might have a poor grasp of the english language or our concepts of emergency response. By keeping things simple, providing tooltips on each response, and issuing a manual that explains the concepts, the people who created the LA Mod want EVERYONE to be able to use it and enjoy it throughout the world. How you took anything racist from that, I have no idea.

[C.F.D]

If there was an Officer Down, or Firefighter Down...what happens next after someone alerts that code? Is a certain officer or group being dispatched? Sorry for not being clear enough..

[chrisl2585]

Mike,

Has LAFD received any new ambulances with the new Ford chasis? (E-350 or E-450 I beleive) If they have can we expect the new look ambulances to make an appearance in the LA Mod?

[billyfromhill]

Does LAPD have any pickup trucks?

[MikesPhotos]

If there was an Officer Down, or Firefighter Down...what happens next after someone alerts that code? Is a certain officer or group being dispatched? Sorry for not being clear enough..

Officer down would get just about every single available LAPD and nearby LEO in the area, plus an EMS response from LAFD with an EMS captain and usually a BC added.

For firefighter down, please read this link for LAFD's RIC policies

Mike,

Has LAFD received any new ambulances with the new Ford chasis? (E-350 or E-450 I beleive) If they have can we expect the new look ambulances to make an appearance in the LA Mod?

They've just started to receive some of the new ones with the more subdued chevrons and LED lights. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but going off memory, I believe the department is only getting 35 or less of the new rigs, which in the grand scheme, is a very small percentage. As for in game, that's a question for someone else.

Does LAPD have any pickup trucks?

Yes, many of them. Now the real question is, are you asking if they have any pickup trucks that patrol streets? No. Venice Beach alone has a couple of trucks with lights and sirens but they're the only ones. They also have special duty trucks assigned to the Bomb Squad, Dive Squad, and even ones with large speakers on them for evacuations and riots/demonstrations. As far as the game would be concerned, having a truck just for that one little strip of beach on the maps is a bit silly for all of the work that goes into scripting and creating a vehicle.

Mike

[billyfromhill]

Are AMR ambulances in LA County ALS or BLS? Also, are they predominantly box or van style ambulances?

[MikesPhotos]

Are AMR ambulances in LA County ALS or BLS? Also, are they predominantly box or van style ambulances?

Depends on their use and contract, and there is no predominance.

[C.F.D]

Do the LAPD use Corner Strobes?

http://www.youtube.c...re=channel_page

Look at the head lights.