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#21 Handsup!

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Posted 13 January 2015 - 06:26 PM

OK. Thanks.

 

I think that USA are full of LE agencies, some of them are really crappy. At least is not that horrible as it was back in the 90's. However, some of the PDs are still corrupted. I heard a lot about it. One thing is absolutely unbelievable and that is that the USA gives the real policing powers to the local police. I am just kinda sceptical about locals. Small PDs are buying tanks, assault rifles and stuff that just doesn't belong to the police. This is why the USA have the army. Militarization of the police is not a good thing. 

 

Friends told me about some problems going on in local-state police related things. If someone here saw the movie Super Troopers, that's exactly it. I don't think the jurisdiction is so clear and truth is that the police agencies are often mistaken. In my opinion and judging from the Czech Republic and mostly any other EU police system - state police should be the highest. Yes sure, locals can help 'em with enforcing the law as its in the CR. However, local police is not authorized to enforce felonies, misdemeanors only. And I think it's the best system. It just sounds weird to me that local cops have actually bigger powers over the crimes than the state or even federal PD. 

 

By only enforcing misdemeanors surely you don't mean they don't investigate murders etc? Wouldn't that stretch the more federal of forces and state police thin? I think in rural areas a wide jurisdiction helps. I agree with you that some LEAs are a bit unorganised.


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Posted 13 January 2015 - 07:18 PM

I wanna comment on the nuclear constabulary. They are peace officers not police, so they have limited powers within certain areas

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Posted 13 January 2015 - 08:02 PM

Are you referring to the (British) Civil Nuclear Constabulary? If so, they are full police officers, they are set up as a constabulary under the Energy Act with a Chief Constable and a range of powers. It may be only in relation to certain areas but they are still a police officer, and can be granted full police powers outside that area with a Mutual Aid negotiation. I don't believe such a thing as Peace Officer exists in the UK...?

If you're not referring to the CNC, I apologise!

 

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Posted 13 January 2015 - 09:42 PM

I think that only PDs that need military equipment should have it. If the county PD has them, locals don't. (Way it works here)

Local PD is also vital to the flow of things. If county/state had to deal with all the shit the locals take, they would be stretching their resources. Now I'm considering the NYPD as local police, which, they are by definition. Now you wouldn't want NYST to take them over now would you? *not saying I don't like the troopers*

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Posted 14 January 2015 - 12:02 AM

I did, as I was on my phone, sorry! The distance is 5km but of course they have powers when pursuing off limits. There is a piece of legislation, I think the Energy Act, that states if another Chief Constable, home office force or not, asks the CNC Chief for mutual aid they then automatically adopt that force's powers and jurisdiction. 
 
It is pretty cool to see how states vary their LEAs. Was really awesome to see that some coroners have police powers...


To continue on the coroner thread, coroners in SC have LE powers. In South Carolina, the county coroner is the highest elected law enforcement official. Above the county sheriff, even.

And to reply to Bugi, I don't know where you got that local police has more power than county or state police. Locals have the least amount of power, then county, state, and federal, in that order.
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Posted 14 January 2015 - 10:34 AM

By only enforcing misdemeanors surely you don't mean they don't investigate murders etc? Wouldn't that stretch the more federal of forces and state police thin? I think in rural areas a wide jurisdiction helps. I agree with you that some LEAs are a bit unorganised.

Exactly. Municipal police forces are authorized to investigate illegal actions that are only punishable by the fine or seizing the property. If murder happens, Police of the Czech Republic is called and they handle the investigation. Of course, if there is a suspect on scene, municipal cops arrest him. Often happens that MPs are first on scene and they follow 'the hot trail' so they chase the suspect and arrest him. However, have to handle him to the State police because they do the prosecution. On the other hand, in some Czech cities local/municipal PDs are the primary law enforcement authorities. Are authorized to carry a gun, taser and all the other stuff we use. 

 

Yes, I know that NYPD is considered as a local PD. But we all know it's not truth and they are metropolitan. They are professionals and I deal with a huuge crime comparing to other small town PDs (that have military equipment!). I hate the way how police depts are being militarized. I didn't join the police to ride a tank. In my opinion, both Canada and the USA are using too much repressive and little prevention.    

 

 

And to reply to Bugi, I don't know where you got that local police has more power than county or state police. Locals have the least amount of power, then county, state, and federal, in that order.

I meant it like locals deal with all kind of crime. No matter what, if it is illegal, you get arrested. However, federal LE agencies are focused on the crimes they are intended to investigate. The DEA cannot investigate frauds but locals can and will arrest you for that. Catch my drift now? Another good example is FBI.. 


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Posted 14 January 2015 - 10:51 PM

Okay before I go on I'll admit to not reading all of this... I did a ride along program with my local department a while ago and can tell you how my county works:

 

As for my county, it's a rural county - we have 4 city (well, town) police departments. The City of Boone usually has 4 on duty officers, the City of Ogden has one officer on duty from 8:00a-midnight and from midnight to 8am, one officer is on call. Madrid has one police officer on duty, but I can't remember whether they ever go to just 'on call'. 

 

That being said, all officers in the State of Iowa who are on duty can operate anywhere in the state - a city officer can stop another car in a completely different county for a serious traffic violation if they are on duty (usually when leaving a conference). I'm not sure of their off duty powers. 

 

It also varies on policy - Ogden PD typically helps out the SO when there's nothing going on but SO is on a call about 5 miles or so out of town, and both the officer and the deputy have the same powers as arresting, citations, searches, reports go. Boone PD *rarely* ever leaves the city limits. There'd have to be a serious call before they would leave the city limits. Bar fight in Ogden? It's just the Ogden officer and the two deputies on duty (yes, typically there are only two deputies on unless overlap gives them three). Good luck! Madrid PD usually just sits at the PD until there's a call and are more reactive than proactive. 

 

State Patrol works pretty much the same here as any other state, however, I rarely ever see them - they typically stay in more populated areas as traffic violations happen little here. 

 

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Posted 15 January 2015 - 06:01 PM

Generally speaking a police officer's official duties are limited to within their jurisdictional areas of responsibility. That being said, they DO (as does any other civilian) have the right to detain an individual whom has committed a crime outside of their jurisdiction pending the arrival of appropriate law enforcement authorities within the area outside of their jurisdiction.  Detainment of a subject is not the same as arresting the subject, likewise they cannot and will not for example ticket individuals outside of their jurisdiction.

 

The exceptions are for example in the event of a pursuit of a suspect that crosses jurisdictional borders, they will contact the authority over that jurisdiction and continue pursuit at their discretion, if the subject is taken into custody prior to the authority of that jurisdiction arriving on scene, they generally will wait and hold them until they may arrive.  Usually the subject of the pursuit is returned to the jurisdiction in which they originally offended.  Sometimes they are processed within the area they were caught, then transferred at a later date. Alternatively, some areas DO have mutual-assistance programs where authorities from outside of their jurisdiction are permitted to enforce the law within due to lacking resources locally.

 

Generally this is a list of how most systems work within the structure of police forces accountability (note I am not listing every type of police nor will I be).

Federal-interstate related issues (IE someone crosses state or country lines to commit a crime or violates federal statutes) The FBI for ex deals with the interstate related issues, if you were to rob a bank, they are FDIC insured, it falls under the fed. If you were to commit a crime in say California, and flee to Nevada, where you commit another crime, the FBI can take jurisdiction over your pursuit.

State-State Police/State Troopers/etc are generally inter-county/highway patrols that are assigned mostly to support unincorporated rural communities along with the highways and other major roads within the state, sometimes they are also used to augment municipalities forces that are lacking, but that is far more rare than supporting rural communities with lacking forces. Generally Traffic cops and Traffic accident cops.

County-In most of the country County Police make up the bulk of the police enforcement duties, they deal with most of the normal calls that you expect police to handle.

Incorporated City Police-Like the county they handle the bulk of normal duties, but are generally for cities that are incorporated like Washington D.C., NYC, LA, etc.. Mostly densely populated incorporated cities end up with police depts of their own to put more forces in the area as opposed to a county.

Police vs. Sheriff... This one is more varying depending on the area of the US you are talking about, in some places sheriffs are basically court police that handle serving warrants/summons, transport of detainees/prisoners, and to secure the court buildings. While in other areas the sheriff's depts are actually full blown law enforcement officers that will respond to calls and handle most day-to-day police duties.

 

As a rule an incorporated city police officer won't be doing his duties outside of his city within another county or city's jurisdiction, especially while off-duty.  IF in the course of his duties he should be required to cross a jurisdictional line pursuing a suspect, they generally will do so and notify the authority over the area of responsibility. Police officers, just like civilians have the ability to detain suspects while waiting for the police authorities to show up to address the issue, and generally that is what is practiced outside of their jurisdictional responsibility.


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Posted 17 January 2015 - 11:59 PM

@MikeyPI:  That is one of the best explanations of law enforcement jurisdiction I have ever seen.  I should know, I used to be a Police Officer.  Again, great job sir.