Mass Elementry School Shooting, CT
#1
Gepost 14 december 2012 - 10:32
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"Even when I walk through a valley of deep darkness, I will not be afraid because you are with me. Your rod and your staff—they comfort me." -Psalm 23:4
#2
Gepost 14 december 2012 - 10:58
God bless their little souls and give their familes strength through this catastrophe in their lives.
#3
Gepost 14 december 2012 - 11:25
-Second Amendment to the United States Constitution.
The security of a free state. Well that makes a lot of sense today, doesn't it...
I know I'm going to make a lot of enemies right now, a lot of you will think that it's "not the time" and "too soon" to ask, but the thing is, every time a tragedy like this one - I'm not sure "like this one" is the right wording here because this is beyond everything we've seen so far - but every time it does, everyone immediately says "not now, it's time to grieve". But once the grieving is over, the debate never really resurfaces... not until the next tragedy, when it reappears and is almost immediately set aside, in an absurd vicious circle. I'm sorry if I am going to offend you, and I suggest that you stop reading now if you really want to avoid the topic of gun control.
So I'm Canadian. You can obtain firearms here in Canada, but the types which you can obtain are much more limited, and you have to go through a lot of bureaucratic hoops - including background checks and inquiries with your relatives - before you can obtain one. There are also strict rules on how you must store your guns, use them and transport them. In the end, hunters can still hunt, and you can even go to the gun range for target practice. Technically, you can even own a gun for "protection" at home (just not carry it in public), as long as you comply to ownership and storage laws. The first thing every gun rights advocate says on the issue of gun control is that "if I don't have the right to own a gun, the criminals will still obtain one illegally and have the upper hand". We have criminals here too. And yes, they do obtain firearms through illegal means. But, strangely enough, murders, shootings and home invasions are still rare occurrences here, and even more so outside of criminal VS criminal crimes. Hell, big cities like Montreal and Toronto get yearly homicide rates that don't even come close to weekly rates in the largest US cities. Very few people here own guns (even if they could), yet everyone still feels much safer. Why? It's not really a question of rights as much as a question of culture.
The most serious problem is America's gun culture. Think of American symbols, and guns probably won't be far down the list after the star-spangled banner, bald eagles and cowboy hats. It's time that the political powers that be reflect on this problem and stop listening to the nutjobs who use phrases such as "from my cold dead hands". The problem is about being able to obtain a gun as easily as you can obtain a fishing rod. The problem is about thinking of your gun as an extension of your manhood. The problem is thinking you, your family and your property will be safer from outside threats as long as you own a gun (and will be proportionally safer according to the number of guns you own). The problem to view shooting guns as a fun hobby for the whole family, even bringing your kids to the gun range or in the backwoods to fire a pistol or a military-grade machine gun. The problem is thinking that waving a gun will magically solve any problem - that bringing a gun to a knife fight, fist fight, word fight, will immediately resolve the issue and make you a winner. The problem is to be overzealous in exercising your right to carry a gun by walking around in broad daylight with a machine gun and telling a police officer that he's violating your open carry rights when he's asking what you're doing - then posting the video on Youtube and praising yourself as a civil rights advocate against the evil police state/Obama/ATF/U.N. conspiracy.
The problem is about thinking of your gun as an irrevokable right given by your forefathers, who needed to keep muskets to repel the assaults of the British, and who probably would have had second thoughts if they knew that one day, firearms that can fire hundreds of rounds per minute could be bought by Joe Everyman, and then used to walk in a school, or a mall, or an office, or a movie theater, or a church, and shoot everything that moves.
27 people died today. Of those, 20 were innocent children. This is beyond horror. Yet it's just another shooting in America this year. I just hope that these poor souls didn't go to heaven in vain. And that their families aren't mourning such unacceptable losses in vain, either. It would be an insult to their memories NOT to think - right now - about how America's gun culture is a serious problem that exposes a lot of innocent lives to another such tragedy that could happen anytime.
R.I.P.
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-Cal Naughton Jr.
#4
Gepost 14 december 2012 - 11:58
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#5
Gepost 15 december 2012 - 12:21
Nothing will stop this, the fasted way I see to stop a mass shooting is by insanely fast police response, and places cut police and fire budgets like there's no frigging tomorrow. My town is pretty much the same as that town today, but we have 2 officers patrolling a shift, one at the station, and 5 or 6 firefighters. There are only 3 firefighters at HQ and if there is a medical two of them have to take the bus, if there is a fire, they take the ladder and the engine from station 2 responds. If anything like this were to happen, the engine would go from station 2, and one guy from station 1 would be one each of those, because those trucks would become cover for police.
Each cop is armed with a Glock, some carry backups (snubs) and there is a AR-15 in the cruiser. I know that something like this would be covered but how long until they get there? one of the cruisers is always at least 20 min away from the school w/o lights and sirens in Division 2. I would feel safer, not if everybody carried guns, but if there were more trained cops there to deal with it.
So there is the problem with shootings, not guns. That's just My two-cents, My heart still goes out to the families and the victims.
#6
Gepost 15 december 2012 - 12:21
As for me I own a shotgun that I do not take out for any reason unless it's for target practice or if someone is breaking into my house. And that's what most legal gun owners do with their guns there are only a select few who go in and shoot up buildings. What's important though and what I believe is lacking are the requirements for owning and purchasing guns which are a bit lax but I don't believe that decreasing magazine size or other functionality of weapons or banning them entirely is the right answer.
I figured the subject would come up and that's my 2 cents.
As for the shooting this is incredibly tragic. I actually spent this morning going over a school shooting drill in my medical class. My condolences to all involved I can't imagine the loss of any life especially a child. May they rest in peace.
EDIT: Also my point on the fact that anyone hellbent on causing violence can kill a large number of people without a gun: http://www.cbc.ca/ne...ack-school.html
#7
Gepost 15 december 2012 - 12:38
True, 3 cops got stabbed with a BBQ fork last summer in the neighboring town. And all those limits on guns will never stop anything Guns are illegal in Mexico and gangs can manage to get enough firepower to go ambush a police station or two. So This topic/debate comes down to how ignorant you are on the topic: you either know nothing is going to stop these guys and the only way to be proactive is to be reactive; or you can spit some politician bullshit and say 'well we are banning these and nobody will be able to get them'. (yeah right)
BTW: I hate the world view I have at my age, but I guess I need it.
#8
Gepost 15 december 2012 - 12:49
Sawdbuster: As cynical a view it may be, it's the world we live in. It's better to believe this world sucks at a young age and start then to do something about it instead of when you're too old and busy to make any real change
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Gepost 15 december 2012 - 01:10
#10
Gepost 15 december 2012 - 01:12
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#11
Gepost 15 december 2012 - 01:43
#12
Gepost 15 december 2012 - 02:04
In the end, it all comes down to a matter of culture, and one's approach towards firearms and violence. Technically, almost every Canadian could legally own a firearm, yet very few of them actually do. So my point is, Americans should ask themselves: "Why do I need a gun? Why do I care so much about guns?"
-Cal Naughton Jr.
#13
Gepost 15 december 2012 - 02:35
#14
Gepost 15 december 2012 - 02:49
Also in response to the people who argue for the 2nd amendment right meaning protection for any sort of weapon: The second amendment is for the arming of a militia, we have a militia now it is called the National Guard. The British are NOT coming! If the Iranians, Chinese or Brazilians decide to attack us I have faith in the US Army and National Guard. They do not need your help.
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#15
Gepost 15 december 2012 - 04:26
R.I.P to all 27 people that died today you will be remebered.
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#16
Gepost 15 december 2012 - 05:08
Whats up!
#17
Gepost 15 december 2012 - 05:50
www.emergency-planet.com/ZacksFireTruckPics
https://www.facebook.com/ConnecticutPoliceCruisers
That's my view on the situation, and if you don't like it, go on your on rant.
#18
Gepost 15 december 2012 - 12:10
#19
Gepost 15 december 2012 - 05:01
Does anybody know what provoked this guy to do such a thing?
Anyway enough of the questions from me, R.I.P to all the lives lost in this tragic event and my thoughts are with the familys as they try to overcome their grief.
#20
Gepost 15 december 2012 - 06:57
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