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[Entonox]

TFA is a complete waste of time, They should have stuck with the intro course then FA.

Also, I support SJA preventing members wearing a Hi-Vis when it's not appropriate, But it should be down to the Duty Officer to decide if it's a requirement as part of their risk assessment, Not RHQ deciding to outlaw them.

Also, it is a shame and common occurrence, some people would either just walk on when someone is in need, Or be too frightened to do anything, As they don't know what to do. This is where SJA is making a difference in training and offering advice (their Helpless campaign for one)

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[BritishArmyReserveCadets]

Now with that salesman, I don't know how it is in Europe, but most places here it's illegal to identify yourself as a medical responder if you're not. People are like, oh I'm a doctor, I'm a paramedic whatever, if they don't look it, I demand proof. Not always demand, but I ask it.

Here in the UK most medical titles (Paramedic, Nurse, Doctor, Chiropodist, etc) are protected by law and regulatory boards (HCPC, BMA, etc), however Surgeon isnt i dont think, but there was some outcry to make it illegal if your not one (So does that mean tree surgeons cant have the surgeon part? )

[TheCadetForce]

Basically, You can identify yourself as a first aider though thats fine, I done it a couple of weeks ago. I was walking home from Army Cadets and as I got to the center of town, I saw a Police Officer trying to help a man that had a cut to his head and arm. He wasnt doing a great job if I say so myself so I stuck around and done all the first aid till the Ambulance turnt up. They really need to teach the Police some proper first aid here.

[Entonox]

On the subject of protected titles, Emergency Medical Technician currently is un protected. There's a few that need to change, and personally, First Aider needs to become one of them.

Far to often i've met people claiming to be a first aider, or knowing first aid because "they've watched casualty"

As for Tree surgeons, I believe that would be quiet safe as long as the Tree part is there

[BritishArmyReserveCadets]

That's actually a good idea regarding first aiders, but there's so many people who are actually qualified first aiders compared to other titles like Doctor, Paramedic, etc.

How would you be able to keep track of them all?

Would there be some sort of national ID for people who are first aiders to prove that they are qualified when in the street like all other titles? (I personally carry an ID Lanyard with FIRST AIDER written around it and then an ID Card with my Name, Date of Birth, Training Level, When my qualification expires and a contact number as well as a photo, which tends to re-assure by-standers that there's someone who knows what they're doing there)

Would there be some kind of portfolio to complete every year or so to make sure your still competent in 'practising' first aid?

There would need to be some governing body like HCPC to regulate it (HSE kinda like does that, but only for the first aid at work courses) and that would cost quite a bit of money.



It may mean there would be less first aiders, because of people not having the time to keep upto date with registration and/or people not being a**** to do it.

But on the plus side it may mean people have more trust in having first aiders helping them as they're regulated.

[Entonox]

There's many pro's and cons, But my personal view is that there needs to be something in place that prevents those that claim to be first aiders, because they did an FA course 20 years ago.

[Newfoundking]

I know here when you get cert'd you get a three piece certificate. One to frame and hang (like I'm going to hang that on my wall, lol) and two little pop out cards, about the size of a credit card. I keep one in my wallet, and the other with the full form, unpopped. Never had I had to actually prove my certifications, since in the event of an emergency, it's obvious if someone knows what they're at, and you can't expect people to take the time to prove their qualifications via a piece of paper.

I've met people three years expired, but still know their stuff a lot better than those who are still completely active. I think I have only ever once said no to someone helping, and that was because they were clearly clueless.

[BritishArmyReserveCadets]

Thing is though, if your not qualified and while carrying out first aid and you seriously cripples someone for life, then your legally not covered and therefore could be nicked for assault (Where as if your qualified and if you do do something that cripples them then it would go up to who ever trained/tested you, which would be investigated and would either result in them being done or some kind of change in the First Aid Manual)

Or something along those lines which i was told by my instructor

[Entonox]

The best thing to do, even if you are amazing at First Aid, But don't hold a current valid certificate, is to get one just for the cover it provides.

With SJA, If you cripple someone but have done everything right within your qualification, You're insured by SJA for one, and you have a Certificate of your qualification, so you're pretty much covered from any legal action, as you've done what is nationally recognised as the current correct method.

[Entonox]

Will say, SJA have actually come through positively.

I've requested a fund raiser pack and some items to use, with only a weeks notice. The person that should have delivered the items went off sick, so the fundraising officer drove all the way down to my local HQ, and gave me £50+ worth of fundraising goodies, certainly a step in the right direction for SJA. Commitment of those in the right places.

[Katerchen]

Hello friends,

i am searching a member of St. John Ambulance in the web space who would trade with me a SJA Shirt to a Johanniter Unfall Hilfe Shirt.
Johanniter Unfall Hilfe is the “St John Ambulance” of Germany.
Or sell me one SJA Shirt.

...
I am searching for a white 'pilot style' plain shirt with St John Ambulance emblem on it.

In exchange of it I can offer a white or marine blue polo shirt of Johanniter Unfall Hilfe.

Is there anybody who wants to trade with me?

Greetz and kind regards

Karsten

[theocd]

Could you expand? Is it either of these two?
http://www.stjohnsup...roductId=U14288
http://www.stjohnsup...roductId=U14041
Or if you could provide an image of what you had in mind?

If I know what you're specifically looking for, I might be able to help I must hasten to add that these products are for St John Ambulance members only so if a trade/purchase were to take place myself/any other member would need sufficient proof

The OC-D

[Entonox]

Interesting to get a Trade post, Glad you mentioned proof of membership to SJA, would hate an impersonation charge to come about (I've witnessed 1 case where someone was in deep sh... for wearing SJA items when they were not SJA.

[theocd]

I know, I knew St John operated in Germany so would appreciate any info. you have on them Katerchen
@Entonox - What was this fella trying to do? And what was he wearing...?

The OC-D

[Entonox]

Can't give out the exact details, But they bought incorrect items for their role and went out and impersonated that role on a public event.

Also, EDIT to my above post, By not SJA Member, I meant full member, Again, avoiding specifics.

[met police999]

i know this has nothing to do with sja but im looking into st andrews first aid cadets but i cant find any places like were the cadets are held any help on finding that sorry for off topic question

met

[theocd]

Its quite relevant, St Andrews is the St John of Scotland essentially.
This lists areas:
http://www.firstaid....outh/cadets.htm
I'd just send them a message through here: http://www.firstaid....uth-enquiry.htm enquiring as to which of the divisions closest to you run Cadet divisions - its essentially what I did for St John

The OC-D

[met police999]

thanks id like to know what you do with them first so what do sja cadets do?

[Entonox]

As a Unit leader for Cadets, i feel i can answer the above (following what we do)

when a Cadet firs joins, they can expect to do the below:

-Membership award (when they first join)
- First Aid course
- Grand Prior Awards (held at the unit during meetings)

Once they've completed the relevant courses, they're invited to go out on public First Aid duties where they can treat under supervision with adult members and build on their knowledge of F/A.

They're also able to continue on to more courses to progress such as Cadet Trainer, Leading cadet just to name a few.

(Hope this relates to your question)

[met police999]

thanks ill be looking into it more soon